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Old Jan 7, 2012, 7:25 PM   #11
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Sorry Tcav but my position is that post processing as I do it is the darkroom of the 21st century and is part of photography.
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I will confess, however, to cropping, brightening shadows and darkening highlights, and removing CA, yet still calling the result a photograph.
I have already conceded that the results of the fine-tuning process are still 'Photographs'.
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Old Jan 7, 2012, 8:46 PM   #12
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It's all just light being recorded. In digital photography, the process of photography ends when the shutter closes.
I was referring to your last statement. I agree that post processing can go beyond photography into graphic arts and becomes a case of eye of the beholder.
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Old Jan 7, 2012, 10:29 PM   #13
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It doesn't matter whether you call it photography or graphics arts, I'm not all that much into labels, unless we are talking about photojournalism or claiming a photo depicts a scene as it actually was (but even that is a grey area since different focal lengths etc. make a big difference how a picture depicts that scene).

So as far as I'm concerned, the majority of "photography" falls under art. The computer has replaced the darkroom, both create pictures that can move, please, etc. those who view them. Some art I like and some I dislike. And yes, there's lots of not so good art out there, some of which I've created. While I don't like that over-processed look doesn't mean that someone else might find it attractive. I already know that others don't always like things that I like, and that's fine.

In other words, anything goes as long as you don't claim what you've created is exactly what you saw.
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Old Jan 8, 2012, 6:48 PM   #14
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I don't think Adams comment about chemical photography is true for digital (though the meaning of the negative has changed):

"The negative is the score, the print is the performance."

How wild a performance do you want to put on? Is the performance art or a is it a spasm?
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Old Jan 8, 2012, 7:23 PM   #15
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This, by no means, is a criticism. just my views on what photography has always been ,to me, an art form.

Wether anyone cares to believe it or not, anytime we take a camera and photograph a scene, we choose the subject, the cropping(what we want people to see), the aperture setting(how much light we choose to be captured).

We also decide on the lens, depth of field, etc.etc. etc. Virtually every aspect of the image is controlled i.e. manipulated by the person holding the camera.

Post processing serves to put emphasis on those segments of a photograph
that you want the viewer to get immersed in. It also allows you the ability to
deal with segments unwanted, un necessary or un important.

Judging from what I see on this site as well as many others, I'm not alone in my view. If "capturing light" was all there was to photography, I would call that a snapshot and simply go fishing instead.

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Old Jan 8, 2012, 8:32 PM   #16
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What's your opinions? what is photography to you?
I think you could ask every single person on this site and get a different answer from each one...

To me, photography is art - pure and simple. And like many others, I am of the opinion that as long as you don't show off that picture and claim that the scene was exactly as your camera captured it, feel free to make as many changes as you wish.
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There are all kinds of movies and books. Now suppose you dont like Western movies or Detective novels. Does that mean they shouldnt be made? Does what you like or dont like mean anything to anyone else? Your main job is pleasing yourself as it is mine to please me. My attitude is that the camera is just the first step in a process to the final image. I both enjoy taking the picture as well as post processing that picture. If what I do doesnt ring your bell, thats ok. If you like it then its a bonus for both of us. It would really be a less colorful or interesting world if all we could see were shots straight out of the camera with no pixel pushing at all. Sometimes we dont want to capture what we see. Sometimes we want to capture what we wish we could see.

By the way, well said Zig.

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To my mind all that matters is whether the final print (or slide) is worth displaying or hanging on a wall or in a gallery.

It's hard to define what that means, especially because peoples' tastes vary, but so far as my own likings are concerned, photos made by Ansell Adams and portraits by Karsh fit in that category, as do paintings by Rembrandt and Repin, some of the Impressionists, and some Japanese artists who specialised in Wood Blocks.
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The question is "What is Photography to you?"

Nobody is saying you shouldn't feel free to express yourself creatively with the canvas that is a photograph, but at some point the result stops being a "photograph". Photography is the recording of light. You can play with the recording, but when you start replacing the recorded data with your own, you start chipping away at the "photograph", and filling in the gaps with digital graphics.
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There are all kinds of movies and books. Now suppose you dont like Western movies or Detective novels. Does that mean they shouldnt be made? Does what you like or dont like mean anything to anyone else? Your main job is pleasing yourself as it is mine to please me. My attitude is that the camera is just the first step in a process to the final image. I both enjoy taking the picture as well as post processing that picture. If what I do doesnt ring your bell, thats ok. If you like it then its a bonus for both of us. It would really be a less colorful or interesting world if all we could see were shots straight out of the camera with no pixel pushing at all. Sometimes we dont want to capture what we see. Sometimes we want to capture what we wish we could see.

By the way, well said Zig.
Thanks Bynx.

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