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Old Feb 16, 2012, 1:50 AM   #11
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Under all but the most extreme circumstances, photos taken with the $499 Canon T3 don't look very different from photos taken with the $1,299 Canon 7D, when they're both using the same lens.
Yes, because they also have the same sensor and digic processor!

  • How about comparing the Nikon D1 to the D4? At ISO3200 say?
  • Or the Canon 1D (Mark 1) to the 1DX? At ISO 3200 say?
  • Or the Nikon D100 to the D800E?
  • Or how about a Dicomed Big Shot compared to a Phase IQ180?
All of the above combos with the same lens of course.

You might want to read Myth #4 on Ctein's post:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad...egapixels.html

Anyway, it's like arguing about which is more important to a human being heart or lungs. Both are crucial. Still, if you changed your mind you'd have to change your sig. So I can't imagine it happening.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 6:58 AM   #12
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Yes, because they also have the same sensor and digic processor!
You probably know the T3 better as the 1100D, which does not have the same sensor as the 7D. Yet, still, in all but the most extreme circumstances, they both produce images with very similar quality.

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  • How about comparing the Nikon D1 to the D4? At ISO3200 say?
  • Or the Canon 1D (Mark 1) to the 1DX? At ISO 3200 say?
  • Or the Nikon D100 to the D800E?
  • Or how about a Dicomed Big Shot compared to a Phase IQ180?
All of the above combos with the same lens of course.
So now we're talking intergenerational differences? I concede that 2012 technology will produce better images than 1999 technology. You've got me there, though I stipulate that ISO 3200 falls into the category of an extreme circumstance. But I also stipulate that lenses designed and produced using 2012 technology are better than 1999 technology lenses.

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You might want to read Myth #4 on Ctein's post:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad...egapixels.html
Did you read it? It's chock full of caveats, most of which don't apply in all but the most extreme circumstances.

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"Even mediocre 35mm lenses will hit 75 lp/mm at some aperture over some portion of their field of view."
Yeah, and my 78 year old mother can hit a homer over the Center Field Wall of Yankee Stadium, but I wouldn't want to waste my time coaching her.
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I'd suggest the mystique is that it just happens to be the highest quality FF camera available now. but one look at the price of it's lenses and you'll run. I'll also say that if you can afford it, get it. I would. rangefinder viewfinders are so nice to look thru. if fuji hadn't gone focus-by-wire, they would be the choice of a lot of enthusiasts. not as a rangefinder of course, but with a couple of the desirable attributes.
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TCav.. Retraction acknowledged, apology accepted.

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All I did was concede that the first couple of generations of digital cameras were pretty bad.
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... even when compared to other contemporary technologies.
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No need to grovel dude, I already accepted your apology.
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Yeah, hold your breath while I figure out how to change my signature.

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