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Old Oct 31, 2002, 11:36 PM   #11
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All good points. Nervous is good but one doesn't need to be paranoid about the microdrive. The microdrive has better shock and vibration survivablity than the typical mobile drives that goes into both your Digital Wallet or my MindStor! Like most people I also bring a laptop during my travels if not for checking the day shots but also for accessing theses forums. The photos taken can also go there as well, but again theses 2.5" hardisks are still not as rugged as the microdrive! (what is it? 400G's vs 1500G's shock non-operating) Also if those astronauts can rely on the microdrive on their multi-million mission to space (and I'm sure they don't transfer it to a Digital Wallet), it's good enough for me...
http://www.steves-digicams.com/microdrive.html#space

I'll take 600 shots a day anytime over changing stick every 40 clicks or so. One also has more chance of loosing thoses 15 memory sticks (hey they go to the washers all the time or so people say!) and if one did transfer the memorysticks to the Digital Wallet, dropping these MindStor alike during thoses 15 attempts while operating has much more chance of failure than dropping a microdrive once a day upon emptying... Beside one is also more likely of re-using the microdrives in the next camera upgrade than collecting several limiting 128Mb lilliputs!

I do agree with you however that the Sony does take extremely well saturated color shots almost to the unreal like most of its TV monitors which I also owned, but if that's what most people like to see, so be it.
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Which is better for "you" is the more salient question.
You got my point Lin! There's a digicam for everyone!
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Old Nov 1, 2002, 7:32 AM   #13
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I agree with Lin Evans.
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I agree with ajitkataria!
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Old Nov 1, 2002, 12:41 PM   #15
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Interesting discussion. I'm surprised no one has referred to the noise that Phil at dpreview points out in the Minolta images. Isn't that a concern as well?
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Old Nov 1, 2002, 12:46 PM   #16
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Default Noise?

Apparently this is never going to end!

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If you don't like what you hear... plug them up, otherwise you will never be able to see it!
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Old Nov 1, 2002, 1:19 PM   #17
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To Sanpete:

According to several of the Minolta 7, 7i and 7hi owners in these forum, no such thing as noise exist. It's pure imagination!

Some other Minoltaowners claim with regret that there's noise in their photos taken with the 7, 7i and 7hi.

Then some Minoltaowners apparently don't know what noise is ...but still claim there is ...noise...in their photos. They see something...what is it then ?

And some Minoltaowner claims that Phil Askey at DPReview can see noise - nobody else can..and is paid of by Nikon to battle Minolta. But maybe he just forgot to clean his glasses.

Then... someone like me, is laughing in their silent mind.

But what is actually all this talk about noise/Minolta and why does it keep coming up...The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.
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Few months ago, there was an excellent informative (and educational as well) letter written by Minolta to an D7xx owner who posted it in dpreview forum, NHL post the link once, but I could not find it. NHL, could you pointing us to it again?
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Old Nov 1, 2002, 2:09 PM   #19
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I just found it

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read....essage=3380675


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Thank you for your patronage of the Minolta DiMAGE 7i digital
camera. With regard to your first inquiry on AF speed, the
DiMAGE 7i takes more time than film cameras to fucus on a
subject in AF mode, due to difference in AF system between
DiMAGE 7 and Maxxum/Dynax SLRs.
In general, the conventional film cameras (silver-halides) uses
AF system called Phase Detection, while Video AF is widely used
for DSCs.
The Phase Detection system, which is capable of obtaining
defocus amount and achieves high speed AF operation, usually
requires a large space between the optics and CCD to split
through-the-lens light for distance calculation.
Thus, given priority for compactness, non-lens-replaceable DSCs
are often equipped with Video AF system, which operates
comparatively slower than the phase detection.
DiMAGE 7's AF operates no inferior to other DSCs featuring
Video AF.


On your second inquiry on noise reduction, we are pleased to
explain our view on image production as well as replying to
your inquiry.

Image production by the DiMAGE 7i is focused on being faithful
to producing the appearance and texture description of the
subject; they have been designed so as not to offer excessive
processing on the camera side, including noise reduction,
against image information from CCD.

As you may know, noise reduction function is necessary since
there cannot be noise-free condition when the image is captured
through CCD. In the meantime, the camera itself cannot
distinguish 'noise' from 'precise information' which is often
important to express texture of the image; excessive noise
reduction may reduce 'precise information', which may ruin the
texture of the image depending on the recording condition such
as subjects, weather, brightness, shutter speed, etc.

For instance of the subject, plain and/or smooth subjects such
as doll's face, walls, and blue sky would have little demerit
on excessive noise reduction, meanwhile, complicated and/or
precise subjects with concavity and convexity in the subject
itself, such as feathers, wrinkles, people and animals, would
have more demerit on being ruined the texture of the image than
the merit on noise reduction.

The DiMAGE 7i, therefore, apply to the noise reduction level to
prevent the soaring of captured image.

On the other hand, it is related to viewing condition as well
as recording condition whether the noise is distinctive or not.
To view the captured image itself, there are such conditions as
printing out or displaying the whole image on the monitor,
meanwhile, we regard that it is not 'viewing the captured image
itself' but 'reproduction of captured image' by way of
retouching, that viewing 5M-pixel image on the monitor with
magnification of 100% or more.

It is true that there are some noises left in the image
captured by the DiMAGE 7i when you view with magnification of
100% or more on the monitor, in the meantime, we would greatly
appreciate it if you would understand that the DiMAGE 7i are
predetermined its noise reduction level aiming at enhancing
texture and spatial effect of the captured image rather than
the noises left, when you view the image by printed one or the
whole image on the monitor.
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Just found this for the folks that doesn't like what they see:

http://www.michaelalmond.com/Articles/noise.htm

... there also another option, just shoot in raw and bypass all the camera internal processing. One can then use various Photoshop Plug-in directly if in doubt (or Minolta own DIVU). The lenses on each individual camera then should be the only difference if everyone is so hang up on eliminating noise/texture!
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