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Old Jun 15, 2006, 11:01 AM   #11
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well, there are all levels of pro's, making all different levels of money.
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Old Jun 15, 2006, 9:50 PM   #12
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Kalypso so what that SI photographer name?

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Old Jun 16, 2006, 12:29 AM   #13
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There was an interesting comment in an article by a successful pro in a photography magazine years ago. He said that many advanced amateurs were technically more competent at photography than he was.

What defines a pro is his eye for a good photograph. I don't think you can put "pro" in a scale of technical competence.

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Kalypso so what that SI photographer name?

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Old Jun 16, 2006, 9:43 AM   #15
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I agree with both kalypso and Slipe.

There is the proficiency scale
IE: beginner, intermediate, advanced, master or whatever you want to call them.

And there is the amature, semi-pro, pro designation which just means you do it for free or make all or part of your living from it.

I know at least one local "pro" who's camera never leaves the "P"uretty setting and their images are not very good. But they are making a good living at it because they are very charismatic and people go to them just for the experience of having a great time at one of their shoots.

Some of the main skills a pro needs to have are in marketing, self promotiona and sales. Which is where you spend a majority of your time when trying to make a living at photogrphy.
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Old Jun 16, 2006, 3:38 PM   #16
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I think that before those rating scales even come into play you need to pass a certain point.

For example, my mom likes to take pictures at family events, just for memories. She doesn't know squat about cameras and she isn't interested in learning about them. I wouldn't even classify her as a beginner.

I think that a beginner is more what I am. Somebody who doesn't just take photographs for the memories, but more just wants to make something beautiful. I'm trying to learn all the rules of photography and how to make my pictures communicate with viewers.

Thats just my two bits on how to rank a photographer (as that seems to be what this topic is about).
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Old Jun 16, 2006, 9:00 PM   #17
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What if you are a beginning photograher you just know how to point and shoot don't know anything about apature, shutter, flash etc. but you are a pro at using photoshop you can make a photo look a lot better. What about that?
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Old Jun 16, 2006, 9:15 PM   #18
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Look at the first post in the Studio Lighting Forum....if you study those links & still have questions, ask away.
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What if you are a beginning photograher you just know how to point and shoot don't know anything about apature, shutter, flash etc. but you are a pro at using photoshop you can make a photo look a lot better. What about that?
That makes you a photgraphic sanitation engineer -- you specialize in dealing with garbage!


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What if you are a beginning photograher you just know how to point and shoot don't know anything about apature, shutter, flash etc. but you are a pro at using photoshop you can make a photo look a lot better. What about that?
Different skill set. Graphical design can definitely be a bonus. But, as tclune indicated: garbage in, garbage out. If the image is out of focus you can't do a whole lot. If a body part has been framed out of the picture you can't add it back in. If you don't have an eye for composition the best technical picture out of photoshop will still be boring.

Knowing photoshop can bea real benefit but it doesn't take the place of knowing how to capture the right image in your camera.
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