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Old Aug 15, 2003, 9:43 AM   #11
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Hi, I called the HP support today, they didn't know about 2 diff. CCD chip are a bad serie of 735 cams. There will be a firmware upgrade soon, but no info about what will change. Dallama, maybe it's a good idea to compare indoor and night pictures of the 720 and the 735 and send it to the HP support.
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Old Aug 15, 2003, 4:29 PM   #12
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You can find some sample pictures taken with the HP 735 on my homepage:

http://www.home.zonnet.nl/voorbeeldfotos

My homepage is in Dutch. After entering the homepage hit the button called 'foto' and see for yourself.

Any comments are welcome.
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Old Aug 16, 2003, 6:18 PM   #13
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hi to all,

i think most important part of digicams are
1- ccd sensor
2- processor
3- software

so these have second importance for me
1- power consumption
2- mechanical parts
3- write speed etc...

there is a saying,
the chain is as strong as its weakest ring.

so today the most critical part is the ccd sensor and electronics.
not the lens or zoom or ...
because the mechanical parts and lenses have reached to a satisfactionary state.
but the sensing part (ccd or cmos or what ever ) has being improving day by day.

do you know that if a digicam should have taken a pic like an analog cam, then the resolution would be about 80 mp?

today the highest is 14mp (as i know ).

so the problem of 735 arises from its sensor, electronics and the software.
(the weakest ring)

proton my friend, the first and most important function of a cam is to take good pics. not record video or audio. although 735 can record vid, this is very limited. i dont think the quality is good. perhaps it is good if you compare with other old digicams. but if you compare with sony's or jvc's or canons' video cams or... 735 is terrible.
can you zoom in or zoom out while recording??? no.
can you record at night??? no.
is the sound stereo??? no.
so the vid recording or sound recording works like a toy...

proton,
have you seen the canon a70s 15 second exposure night shots my friend???
you can find a lot of night shots of a70 and other cams on the web.
none of them are like 735. they are very clean. there are no white pixels or dots on them.
but the 735 have.

i will post my night pics as soon as possible (and other cams' night pics)
so you will see the results by your eyes iason.

kwillems, why dont you post indoor and night pictures? for night pictures you have to turn off the flash, do not fotget )

but i think we have to look this subject from a different view...
as you know hp is a very big company and have thousands of products in electronics and computer sector.
let me give you an example...
if i had bought a pc or laptop, i would prefer toshiba...
but if i wanted to buy a video camera then i would prefer sony...
if i wanted to buy a cam i would prefer canon or nikon...

because they are focused on their products... these products are the main mission of their companies. these bring fame and reputation on the labels...

but hp focuses on computers, electronics and printing. hp has good servers, good printers and pcs. but not digicams.
for example on 735 it writes "pentax zoom lens"
because hp is just a company that works like a manager. it makes the cams lens to be designed to pentax, the ccd and electronics to another company ... (probably a chinese company) and print its brand "hp" on the cam as if "hp" produced it...

for example if you had to buy a monitor, would you buy sony,philips or hp???
but hp has monitors also... but just like for the 735, the monitors are being produced for hp by other cheap monitor makers(perhaps in taiwan or china)
hp just prints its label on them and sells them for higher prices...

so let me give you an advice my friends,
if you want to spend your money for sth, give some bucks more, but get the quality.
believe me you will be happy and satisfied and will make a better investment.
if you dont do like that, then you will spend hours for thinking about your product and trying to find out answers and struggle with problems etc. (like for the 735...)
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Old Aug 16, 2003, 11:56 PM   #14
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I don't know if you have read this post in
http://www.photo-forums.com/[email protected]@.ee93e34/0

Well, i said this:

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I have seen your picture and I have got the hp 735, and I assure you that YOUR CAMERA IS ABSOLUTELY FAULTY. My camera makes very good pictures.

You can see some pics in www.pbase.com/joselutr
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Now, i say that you can try to make a pic with ISO 200 or 100 (because hp 735 is very manual), although i am sure that your camera is faulty. As your camera is within warranty, you can ask for another hp 735.
I think that it is a good camera for 250 euros (1.18 euros = 1 dolar).


Sorry for my pathetic English, bye.
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 6:01 AM   #15
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hi joselutr,

why dont you post a night pic (witout flash) in full resolution???
2048x1536 i mean........

in full resolution i think your cam is also faulty....
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 12:32 PM   #16
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kwillems, why dont you post indoor and night pictures? for night pictures you have to turn off the flash, do not fotget )
Can't remember having a debate with you (or anyone) else about the quality of indoor- or nightpics made bij the HP 735. But sofar i'm satisfied with the quality of those pics.
I just posted the URL of my homepage. That's all.
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 1:52 PM   #17
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hi to all,

any 735 owners there?
pls check out the pics i have taken with mine.
these are all night and low light pics (without flash)

http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/coskun_sertac

also look at the "other cams pics" directory.

you can check the metada of the jpg files with acdsee.
metada includes the cam brand and model, and some other important info like exposure and aperture settings.

see the quality difference of the pics. (735 is worst)
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 2:09 PM   #18
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hi to all,

any 735 owners there?
pls check out the pics i have taken with mine.
these are all night and low light pics (without flash)

http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/coskun_sertac

also look at the "other cams pics" directory.

you can check the metada of the jpg files with acdsee.
metada includes the cam brand and model, and some other important info like exposure and aperture settings.

see the quality difference of the pics. (735 is worst)
Agree completely with you ... those pics look bad ... very bad.
I've only taken a few nightshots, but you can be shure: mine (also taken with a HP 735) are much better.
So my conclusion is: there is something wrong with this cam you bought. Guess you'd better return to the shop where you bought it or contact HP Custumer Support.
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Old Aug 19, 2003, 3:29 AM   #19
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hi to all,

any 735 owners there?
pls check out the pics i have taken with mine.
these are all night and low light pics (without flash)

http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/coskun_sertac

also look at the "other cams pics" directory.

you can check the metada of the jpg files with acdsee.
metada includes the cam brand and model, and some other important info like exposure and aperture settings.

see the quality difference of the pics. (735 is worst)
Agree completely with you ... those pics look bad ... very bad.
I've only taken a few nightshots, but you can be shure: mine (also taken with a HP 735) are much better.
So my conclusion is: there is something wrong with this cam you bought. Guess you'd better return to the shop where you bought it or contact HP Custumer Support.
kwillems,

can you please post a night picture.
please use the timer function of the cam to take the pic. in that case the cam will not shake and it will be still.
also shutdown the flash.

for example at night take a "city lights" shot.

that will help me much to decide if mine is defect or not.

thanks
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Old Aug 19, 2003, 4:57 AM   #20
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See my post and picture in http://www.photo-forums.com/[email protected]@.ee93e34/4


You should change your cam, it is faulty.
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