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fishycomics Oct 8, 2009 3:33 PM

Kodak Zi8 Full review: series
 
Welcome.

This is a Average recommendated Hybrid. (feeling of the cam day by day)

Cam is no longer available through Kodak.com a discontinued Model

Lowest price March 25th 2011 $69.99
There are never a perfect hybrid on the market, and rushed to the market leads to a corrective action, Kodak has corrected with firmware ver 1.06 most of the issues, especially the vertical lines people felt annoying was brought to the attention, and Kodak will continue to address and support the kZi8 Model.

Kodak 2.0 - Kodak Eastman Releases the very first Hybrid camcorder to be HD1080P, and claims its the first ever. and soon in Jan 2010 will release a newer Model 1st week in Jan 2010

Aug/sept 2009 the Kodak Zi8 hits their site, and Amazon, selling for $179.95 only at Kodak.com the cam had a discount of 15% at short periods, and today offering a 15% in the cart, and an additional 15% using the code Kodakgolf09. One must be careful how they shop at Amazon, the price will fluctuate like the gas wars, Highest price found 219.00, at Amazon.com (aqua).

As the Kodak person of marketing is out in Full force, enjoying the fun, This is what we like to see Information, all about the cam.

I will be not testing, but Showing in my eyes what the cam can do for you. The test has already passed Kodaks lab so lets enjoy the review, on with the shows:

Review, Compare, and Sample test clips. The best advice one can give.

My Full review of the Kodak Zi8 (Zed I 8) the Poor mans review:

Mid summer Aug 2009, The Kodak Zi8 on Youtube, and soon released for sale on Amazon.com for $179.95, and at Kodak.com $179.95 with a 15% discount, today an additional 15% to total the cam to 30% off making it $130.01 adding the code kodakgolf09

In house members of Kodak, showed videos, while we wait for a release date of Sept 03, 2009, the Zi8 popped up faster then expected, late Aug 2009. and reviews were showing positive feedback with high pitch sound issues. Soon after a Wobble effect , known as Rolling shutter, or Jello effect and stabilization are issues as well.

Watching videos, and keeping an eye on the camcorder/hybrid, a deal I could not pass up, ordered direct from Kodak, and order is back ordered, and shipped from TN, soon after and will arrive soon. While waiting for my shipment, I visit back to the site and have the opportunity to track my order, and find there is a Firmware patch release already. Unknown of the FW (firmware) the latest will be 1.03, can be found on Kodak.com, help center.

I take the time and I have the chance to study the on line Pdf manual, and info again, so I can better myself of the camera/hybrid. I prepare my sd cards, other cams and ready for filming.

Kodaks arrival:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/tSkzD_6Mi3k/default.jpg

you'll receive your cam Just like this. watch the short clip by clicking the picture

Unboxing:

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/gWy9QWUykrc/default.jpg

As I unbox the two things, as a new comer/owner of cams. I am excited, and pleased by the way Kodak packed, and protected something that shocked me, I liked the protection of the lens with plastic, but not some items just bagged and left untaped. I thought the Black was all black while it is really gun smoke Grey 60%. If I wanted a color change, all I need to do is order a battery door. cables HDMI wow, component yellow/white, tells me its a mono cam. as I feel deeper in the box I am missing a carrying bag, mini tripod and remote, but Amazed they included a metal/leather wrist strap. I guess the Jan 2010 model will have, cuts the cost down, sorry aip's remote fails to work for Kodak.. Overall I am happy with the unboxing rate 5 stars, even though the extras would have sealed the deal.

Details of cam:
http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/Zi3oTvL7BIw/default.jpg

Black is Gunsmoke grey. Red rasberry is ??? , Aqua blue is ???

the external details, to the Internal controls, a Simple and easy designed cam, Simplicity to Folks of All Ages. Elderly people I am sure will have no trouble using this Model.

front view back view
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9237/88120101.png

The front view:
Shows the battery, lens Mic, led record, and Remote sensor. the lens is recessed, and has a protective glass/plastic over the lens. no. 1 shows the flexible USB port, no. 2 SD card, and cover, no. 3 On/off/led red/green light, only shows red for charge, and off when completed. a film of plastic is left on. no. 4 the black on black indented lettering of the macro/infinity switch.
The Back view:
Shows , no. 1 the Ext Sterio Mic port video, no. 2 the Tv mini port (not 3.5mm) Hdmi port, and cover, no. 3 shows the charging port, no. 4 camera strap and plastic tripod port. no. 5 the 2.4 lttps screen and no. 6 the mouse/nav and control section of the Kodak Zi8.
Very well laid out, the lens to the side, and while in hand the controls may be just a little to low for larger hands, and a equal share for both the left, and right handed people. not a fan of thin rubber doors, and few locking points of a battery door Kodak tried their best to keep it thin. Cam by itself can be balance but unstable 90% tip over, a Neoprene cover will fix that if correctly made. My over all rating 4 stars very simple and basic.

Tv playback:
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/wIbvwfFnnJY/default.jpg



Tv playback is as easy as plugging in either mini din, or Hdmi hit play to choose in each click full, thumbnail, and folder. nav/mouse controls your play ffw speed/rew 2x-16x by clicking the play right control tab you can slo-mo 1/2,-1/16th. To delete its as easy as choosing the trash can, if you accedently delete, you'll find yourself looking for a retrival program online. Playing Any file in the Kodak, is possable. conversion or not. it is possable.

My conclusion very basic, and missing the slideshow, and Repeat,something that if we were to show a presentation at work, or at family outings, one would be highly upset. ((pmp will respond soon)) my overall rating 3 stars lack of tv playback feature, and Live feed which is highly needed.

Controls and Features: details.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7438/58332674.png

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/kFtCoxH75Vc/default.jpg

As it is all about Picphonics with Kodak, a simple andeasy format. Chooseyour icon and click thecheck for the function. There are no default setting, or reset, andsome ofthe icons are missing the Image or shake hand missing, Ext mic port M.I.A. as well the face detect on the main screen. in the Tools we only see the mic level and not on the screen. October 2009 new Fw, 1.03 My Conclusion very simple to set up, but lacking icons, default, reset, whitebalance EX -2-+2, are major concerns to some. rate 3 stars there are blank spots for more info, and some presets, would win over more people like beach, snow etc

Supplied cams software and set up:
video soon to come
As no disk to be found, the Kodak Zi8 comes with the software TMI (Total Media impressions) a very basic and Powerful tool. found in the camera, like the Ext hd (hard drives) today. a way of going Green. You plug in the cam to the PC only and cam will be recognized. and youmust open thefiles and click on TME . sets up on faster machines fast, and slower machine slow. Program is very basic, and has effects, and trim, aconverter, direct Youtube, Facebook, and Vimeo upload, with a account. read up at kodak.com the Pdf manual.
Aftermarket Softwares:

Using magix.com move edtor pro 12,14, and 15 The Zi8 will fail most te timewith more then a few Files, programs shuts down, memory Allocation, 3/4 video saved, a few secs, or a few minute of clip rendered . This happens in Full 1080p 1920x1080. resolution of kodak. and saving in any file soze,

Filming in 720P I am able to get 42 segment clips in a total of 10 minutes and just before adding a title to a error. or memory that is excellent, I am sure it is the processor, and older pc's I am using a HP1070N fully maxed in memory. If you are goingto edit, its best to grab a clip repeat the clip in many times and you may make your own decision, a clip is in the post below called video and pics my conclusion. If you plan on editing with older pcs, best to think twice of hd1080p, the software provieded I am sure will work fine as it is a very basic program further commenting will be needed when loaded on my pc

Aftermarket options:

Pic 1. Are of a 1, Rubberband, 2. Ring, 3 UV filter, 4 .45 wide angle snap on lens/cover.. Temporarly on it is easy to lift up/down. no glueing at all, just presure. Wide angle not recommended.
pic 1 video pic click it
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6680/83650451.jpg

External Mic if it is a sony or clone
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2842/75041226.jpg


Battery Life:

As battery life is not quite long under a hours time, in different modes, playback etc, etc. 50 minutes average. When the camcorder gets to a low level the camera will shut the sound off of the recording, and continue to record without a Beep on/off, the LED red record light stays constant ON when recording. When in standby, under the two minutes. the camcorder will shut down with the kodak goodbye, we know the cam has a Auto shut down when nothing is touched. When filming or recording and battery isat depletion, the camcorder will shut down ONLY saying KODAK OFF. the file will be saved. After the battery is exhausted , you may or may not get the cam to turn back on it may ornot come on and you'll get the turn on, and kodak goodbye. till either, some time passed, or a powercharge. My conclusion to thebattery, each video res, etc, etc, will eat battery time. Best to conserve power by turning off the functions not needed for long d camcorder use of ON/OFF, etc, etc. rate 3 stars out of 5, for lack of Lowbattery Icon led record light constant on, and no extended battery, and battery door option.

Night Proformance



To be continued. next Post

fishycomics Oct 8, 2009 7:34 PM

Night shot proformance:
1st1080p 30fps 2nd 720P 60 fps 3rd 720P 30 fps 4th WVGA 30 fps
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/_y4rL1lZmNc/default.jpg http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DxePmR7YaRQ/default.jpg http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/YLRj5UQ048c/default.jpg http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/cv7jvOyGiIE/default.jpg
Night Proformance video download samples orginl format of nighttime car, shop etc.

1. hd 1080P 30 fps http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DGP7V2CV
2 hd 720P 60 fps http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9KABT3PQ
3 hd 720P 30 fps http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T58QXSCM
4 WVGA 30 fps http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PH25WX8Q
Above are Four Night shot movies, they show the proformance of the Kodak Zi8 that i have observed when filming. I was impressed, able to see clearly what shot, and when filming on a lighted Object, a reflection shown on the screen, and when played back. Angles of windows and glass showed the Infomous Red Led till angled away the camcorder. Blurriness on street lamps of multiple, and or red signs will not correctly film. Using powerful head lights on the Object produces a very lit video. With Different levels of lighting, and displays the camorders proformance works well. My Conclusion. The Low level is as important as Daytime. How you shoot, to a quick shot. we expect perfection every time. As a Pc Low budeget Economy camcorder, fully Automatic, the camcorder did just fine. If not for the Red solid led, and reflection of light. My rating 4 out of 5 stars.

Daytime Proformance:

pic 5 pic 6 pic 7 pic 8

fishycomics Oct 8, 2009 7:34 PM

Comparison video reviews:

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/NGk3Fe4ETSg/default.jpg

As we can compare many cams to one, this is just one I felt that should have competed, in top proformance, you see the Aiptek GVS compared to the kodak, or the kodak compared to the GVS Watch the clip by clicking the Picture, and you'll get a sideby side and some other clips of the review.

fishycomics Oct 8, 2009 7:34 PM

Pro's

1. cams Dc plug, great for a modified extended battery pack.
2. Simplicity of controls , a Picphonics way, and makes any Age person easy to use
3. the DC plug/usb can be used for car, pc, AC .
4 a true sterio external mic port
5. Auto shut off.
6. screen standby lowers for battery save.
7. record memory full, 100% memory icon lites up, if fw corrected or not.
8. Zoom from incremntal to streamline (fw 1.05)
9. Low level Recording is Possable not poor nor fair GOOD
10. Night time frames per sec adjusts from 60f-to-30f.





Con's
1. rubber covers are a poor design to flexable, in way of closeness.
2. Mouse/nav just a little sensitive over shoots the options
3. Ext mic Icon missing
4. Anti shake icon missing
5. face detection icon missing
6. Whitebalance not ofered
7. Ev -2-+2 not offered
8 storage size left. no info for cam
9. storage of cam no info on screen except when choosing video in minutes
10. Auto Off only no 1 min,3, min, or 5 min.
11. Self Timer, no way to take a self pic,not even off the video on the cam, Just film a few secs, and edit on the program
16. tv plyback index scrolling up/down will not advance to next set of X cips
17. Tv playback still no zoom.
18 tv playback on still setting button is operationable, on video it is not.
19 Live feed Zoom is not streaming it is a interval in/out
20. battery door design needs a lockingtab,will pop off
21 camera crash, no reset button, battery must be removed.
22. It is clearly said Zoom is grainulated and degrading on all firmware loads.
22 updated firmware will add spicific items the company feels needed.
23. While Usb charging LCD screen is ON..


Software: Arcsoft.
1 SlowPc's suffer the most, Mac users Do not get ANY software, Just the SIngle drive (external) Internal recognised, when card is out of cam.

3rd party magix movie edit pro 12,14,15, fewer clips , less troubles . a force to more powerful, pcs and macs when hd1080p is used. HD1080p is the hardest to correctly rennder try less clips testing other resolutions.

Defects:
1. http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5697/89454030.jpg Face detect will display constant at times,
2. picsoon to come
Dead Pixal located on lower left (my unit)

Support:
not the best in the world, they wil tell you what you do not want to hear. they will try to do their job with troubleshoots, and time is always long. online is not the bet place, nor technical support either.

fishycomics Oct 9, 2009 7:38 PM

Picture samples:
http://i37.tinypic.com/28s0eat.jpg

video samples:
http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/nOfWXH3-9nY/default.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOfWXH3-9nY
DL http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HH6L4JKB

http://ts.vimeo.com.s3.amazonaws.com...771787_200.jpg

Inside Low level scenerios
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XLk2thZ7YtA/default.jpg
Night shot Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxePmR7YaRQ

FIRMWARE patches

how to downgrade the kodak,.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/Rb8qqVDPwyE/default.jpg click me the pic


Firmware upgrade: One can go foward, and back to older firmware, as long as they have the older version filesaved, here is the older file.

fw 1.03 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LV71XD9X fixs high pitch sound
fw 1.05 http://www.mediafire.com/?tnjnen4gnnj fixs high pitch etc
fw 1.06 http://www.mediafire.com/?mzttzynitin fixs fw 1.05 errors, and vertical lines claimed by kodak

taken apart topic http://forums.steves-digicams.com/hy...nside-zi8.html

My final Conclusion:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7210/45tm3.jpg


http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9356/40starsqz3.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8361/96394001ey1.jpg


http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8412/46561161iq6.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/979/87176169pj8.jpg

Trevmar Oct 10, 2009 1:57 PM

Fishy, I looked at your video: 809_0143.MOV

Nice color, no over-exposure, shadows a little dark, but overall quite good images.

How does the Zi8 work in low light, by comparison with the other hybrids? I would expect 1280x720 to use more of the CCD, and be better than 1920x1080 in low light, have you observed this?

TIA :)

fishycomics Oct 10, 2009 2:38 PM

The Kodak Zi8 isa Cmos sensor 1 / 4.5–type 1.6 MP CMOS.

As the Company felt thecam did not need to include EV exposure, or whitebalance, I am sure everything is catered to Automatic, and making the Koak Zi8 the basic simple Camcorder ( not a hybrid) (vid, still, voice, web, tv playback, pmp) with less and less features to fool with. I am 24 hours of a Owner, and am doing my best to make my reviews as igo along. I always get my cams when the weather is foul (lol). I will observe, and offer my two cents, as testingwasdone at Kodak already, Kodak Corp claimes kodak.com help center has videos up that will help you decide. I I am filming in HD1080P, andwill work my way fowward to all the settings. I have a plan, a goal. and I will most likely complete when they already release th new versions out LOL. Thank you.

Trevmar Oct 10, 2009 3:22 PM

I understand. I am only slowly working through all the options (including EV and White Balance) on the video of my new Panasonic ZS3 camera, with AVCHD-lite. Sometimes I think simpler might be easier when I am in a hurry, but then I love the 25mm wide angle and x12 optical zoom of this tiny camera... :)

Juggernauter Oct 10, 2009 4:15 PM

Nice review for a nice little cam. Thank you Fishy.

fishycomics Oct 10, 2009 6:35 PM

Yes I agree. If we'recomparing the kodak Zi8 it is the simplist camcorder to be debuted, no guessing of the controls, the cam turns on, and shows right away what video you're on and gives you the amount of memory left in minute for vide for each resolution, when on the camera not a single info of how many pics.

Wayne12 Oct 11, 2009 8:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishycomics (Post 1007175)
The Kodak Zi8 isa Cmos sensor 1 / 4.5–type 1.6 MP CMOS.

This must be a mistake. 1.6mp is not 2mp fullHD, and unless it is something like a 16:9 sensor (unlikely) it will not even give 1440*1080p. You would basically be left with a glorified 720p60 upscaling camera. That sensor size and resolution is the same as mine, it is not so great for latitude and noise either, but hopefully it is an upgraded version at least.

If you have any contacts at Kodak, you might ask them if this is a mistake (the spec of the sensor on last years 720p model). Otherwise, people might as well check out the Samsung and RCA 1080p models.

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...ctID.156585800

Wayne12 Oct 11, 2009 8:45 AM

The similar DXG 720p 576 (or was that 567) also has the simple icon system (very very simple). I have had one here, and tested against the Hi-speed, and returned it (was showing trash on screen, not as good in exposure, possibly more noise, and purple/noise columns in the image. I think it had a sensor problem, possibly a lower B or C grade version, but that is what the faulty Aiptek that beat it is like also).

Wayne12 Oct 11, 2009 8:53 AM

1st week in January, times in ambarella, usual ces chipset announcements (Sanyo should also be announcing soon or early next year). So maybe it will have 60i/p 1080p at that time.

rgvcam Oct 12, 2009 6:13 PM

That is what their specs say on the website and it's not without precedent as the HDC-SD10 that Juggernauter has, also has a CMOS sensor that appears to be far smaller than a full HD image would need. It is even worse in that it only has 1.47MP of which 1.17MP is effective.

I cannot see how they can achieve Full HD without interpolation and wonder why they are doing this. What would be the advantage unless they are achieving better low light performance at the expense of resolution. Even the still images are interpolated.

If this is the case then this is deception. I thought we were moving away from this kind of thing.

Out of interest I had an online chat with their tech support about this and the person seemed really vague. I don't know if they just really didn't seem to know the answer or were skirting around it!. The tech person seemed to be confusing the issue of still images and video saying at one point that video uses different units ie fps instead of MP! Anyway perhaps they are just not privy to that depth of technical information. So I am none the wiser.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne12 (Post 1007902)
This must be a mistake. 1.6mp is not 2mp fullHD, and unless it is something like a 16:9 sensor (unlikely) it will not even give 1440*1080p. You would basically be left with a glorified 720p60 upscaling camera. That sensor size and resolution is the same as mine, it is not so great for latitude and noise either, but hopefully it is an upgraded version at least.

If you have any contacts at Kodak, you might ask them if this is a mistake (the spec of the sensor on last years 720p model). Otherwise, people might as well check out the Samsung and RCA 1080p models.

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...ctID.156585800


fishycomics Oct 12, 2009 7:05 PM

Kodak has made the Zi8 the Most Basic camcorder, with a Still setting of only 16:9 ratio for a 5 meg picture. Roughly about 1.75 MB-3.MB of file size 3072x1728 . Infinity Mode will double the capacity file size 3 plus meg, while macro is half the capacity size 1.6. All depends on the info you're shooting? If the CMOS sensor's size for a still is at the requirements for a 5 MB camera, will this be sufficient for HD1080P (1920x1080), or do we need a larger CMOS sensor, that is my question, I am no pro, but am quite satisfied, by what Kodak has done with their product.

I- keyword, Observed. The video in a few, various ways, and a Blue sky, WOW!, and overcast, impressed, and Dark,and Wee hours ( my own clips, and stills). I have watched almost every clip out there, and rather be on the sideline, I felt I go to bat, and try this for myself.

Placing my other cams to the side, and going back to a first time user:
I Will tell you WOW! You want to delete, hit the delete button, you want playback, hit the playback, you want to get back to live feed hit he camcorder, you want the tools hit the tools, and chose the icon, and highlight the check. It is that Simple.

You want something you can get lost in the controls and complications, this is not that camcorder for you, it's a camcorder, catered to the ease of shooting video right out of the box, a disposable camcorder that can be purchased, click and go.

There are many missing features, and functions that I am sure firmware will not fix, they will correct all this with the newer Model I am hoping

Since it is a camcorder, they left out the self timer
Since it is a single Mode still, they left out the white balance, and EV setting.

Other companies are heading that direction while more Automatic or electronics can correctly adjust today. that is why we do not see a flash, they are increasing the ISO etc, etc.

They left display icons out for Stabilization, face detect, Ext Mic, I can go on and on, but these are my only Observations.

Kodak already tested, with their in house people so why are we the one's to correctly point out the Obvious?

What I find interesting, my DOD f200hd files and renaming only the file, without converting will play in the Kodak zi8, when I had to convert the Aipteks etc, etc. it is funny why Kodak did not call this a PMP player as well. You have Arcsoft to thank for that.

While I am rendering 5 clips in magix.Com's software i am fine (hd1080P) when I render over 10 plus, I either get a close , error, and allocations, with a hp1070n fully maxed with memory. I have yet to load media Impressions, and will demo how to load with the Kodak, and this tells me , if I want to continue with HUD video's I must upgrade to a more powerful PC, or switch to my mac

I hope that my opinion was on a positive note, and have made sense to all, I do apologies for my crammer. I do my best to enjoy the fun we have her, and that my review will helped in any way in your decision of a camcorder, never being a sales person, on that note

I thank you....fishy.

parocks Oct 12, 2009 11:04 PM

From http://www.steves-digicams.com/camer...i8-review.html

Kodak Zi8 Features:
  • 5MP, 1/2.5-inch CMOS imaging sensor




Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne12 (Post 1007902)
This must be a mistake. 1.6mp is not 2mp fullHD, and unless it is something like a 16:9 sensor (unlikely) it will not even give 1440*1080p. You would basically be left with a glorified 720p60 upscaling camera. That sensor size and resolution is the same as mine, it is not so great for latitude and noise either, but hopefully it is an upgraded version at least.

If you have any contacts at Kodak, you might ask them if this is a mistake (the spec of the sensor on last years 720p model). Otherwise, people might as well check out the Samsung and RCA 1080p models.

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...ctID.156585800


fishycomics Oct 13, 2009 4:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parocks (Post 1008561)
From http://www.steves-digicams.com/camer...i8-review.html

Kodak Zi8 Features:
  • 5MP, 1/2.5-inch CMOS imaging sensor

Thank you for pointing his review out, I go way more into a real review, with I many , many videos and ictures, and always to come. showing the good, the bad, and the Ugly side.
neverdid I receive a camera or was asked, but alwys Purchased my units while I am sure Stevesforums has received theirs from ,many manufacturers.
And finally glad he did not usehis repeated M&M pic. LOL

Does he mention all the pro's and Con's see below all the Missing items bad points as well the good points at the page one thank you

1. rubber covers are a poor design to flexable.
2. Mouse/nav just a little sensitive over shoots the options
3. Ext mic Icon missing
4. Anti shake icon missing
5. face detection icon missing
6. Whitebalance not ofered
7. Ev -2-+2 not offered
8 storage size left. no info for cam
9. storage of cam no info on screen except when choosing video in minutes
10. Auto Off only no 1 min,3, min, or 5 min.
11. Self Timer, no way to take a self pic,not even off the video on the cam, Just film 15 scs, and edit on the program.


Software: Arcsoft.
1 SlowPc's suffer the most, Mac users Do not get ANY software, Just the SIngle drive (externa) Internal recognised, when card is out of cam.

3rd party magix movie edit pro 12,14,15, fewer clips , less troubles . a force to more powerful, pcs and macs when hd1080p is used. HD1080p is the hardest to correctly rennder try less clips testing other resolutions.

Defects:
1. http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5697/89454030.jpg Face detect will display constant at times,
2. picsoon to come
Dead Pixal located on lower left (my unit)

Wayne12 Oct 13, 2009 5:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgvcam (Post 1008454)
Out of interest I had an online chat with their tech support about this and the person seemed really vague. I don't know if they just really didn't seem to know the answer or were skirting around it!. The tech person seemed to be confusing the issue of still images and video saying at one point that video uses different units ie fps instead of MP! Anyway perhaps they are just not privy to that depth of technical information. So I am none the wiser.

Maybe most of this. It is usually best to ask for tech support, or the tech section. Support people can have little training. My Internet service provider is very much like that, support people following scripts rather then reading and addressing the question/problem, just find a script that may match and cut, and paste.

Wayne12 Oct 13, 2009 6:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parocks (Post 1008561)
From http://www.steves-digicams.com/camer...i8-review.html

Kodak Zi8 Features:
  • 5MP, 1/2.5-inch CMOS imaging sensor

Thank goodness, the kzi8 is back in the fray. I thought it must have been a mistake, usually is with the better companies. 5mpixel is a bit on the light side these days, but at least it is more true, and 1/2.5 is better than 1/4, and helps compensate if the sensor technologies performance is not the highest in the fist place.

Realistically, we need 1/2 - 2/3rd inch, especially for the 8mp+ true native resolutions, but upcoming performance sensor technologies may make that fairly negligible on the low end.

Wayne12 Oct 13, 2009 6:35 AM

Now a question for the future, which codec is it using, that ambarella based one, or are they using something based on the chip-set family they used on previous still cameras?

Wayne12 Oct 13, 2009 7:29 AM

Had a look at a few of the stills from the review. Pretty nice latitude, blue lens flare for bright sky through trees, edge enhancement (thick overhead cable) blotchy grass from high compression. Despite this, overall, nice digital for a low end hybrid consumer camera. I will say one thing, that you can get rid of lens flare, maybe even with a super program get rid of sharpening, but you can't really get back detail lost from low latitude, that looks better.

Wayne12 Oct 13, 2009 7:44 AM

Red traffic light in the distance, would need a closeup to confirm, but washed out. If this is so, I have seen it on a number of cameras.

Forgot to mention, seems to be some mild wash, but that's not really a problem.

falseguardian Oct 13, 2009 1:12 PM

i can't decide between Aiptek GVS and Zi8.
GVS has zoom which is nice... and the twistable lcd is nice for some applications i need it for.. (putting on the ground to record sports... nice to be able to see the lcd to know where the cam is pointing)
but the form factor of the zI8 also makes it
easier to shoot some situations where people "freeze up" when they see a
video cam... not as much with an iPhone lookalike.

i just tried out the GVS... never tried the zi8, but i can get it for 138 so i am intrigued.

help me pick! thanks

fishycomics Oct 13, 2009 2:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by falseguardian (Post 1008802)
i can't decide between Aiptek GVS and Zi8.
GVS has zoom which is nice... and the twistable lcd is nice for some applications i need it for.. (putting on the ground to record sports... nice to be able to see the lcd to know where the cam is pointing)
but the form factor of the zI8 also makes it
easier to shoot some situations where people "freeze up" when they see a
video cam... not as much with an iPhone lookalike.

i just tried out the GVS... never tried the zi8, but i can get it for 138 so i am intrigued.

help me pick! thanks

Welcome Aboard Falseguardian.

the Zi8 flat design is alrightfor shooting video 90 degrees period. if you are going to do a over head angle shot. like a cast news person in a croud, you will never get the shot. there is absolutel no way of seeing the screen.

The GVs you can grab ALL angles. no question about it.

If you are looking formanual controls theKodak isFullyAutomatic, only the stabilization, face detect, and mic are the ones you have nothing more

The GVS has EV, White balance, nightshot, auto focus lock

If you are after a group shot and stills the GVS , 5 mb and a selftime, flash. the Zi8 does not have any selftimer, or flash

If you're looking to sit down the group and do a slideshow theGVSis the better while the ZI8 has NONE.

I can go on and on, trust me, you may wish to view the above posters review, that will only give you an idea, but in here you'll get a real persons opinion.

I own both, I am asa Noob really impressed, and asa previousowner of most, thumbs up.

I have my ups and downs, and have not concluded my review.

Hd1080P kodak has a very strong hold, and software to edit becomes more and more dificult with new and newer cams.. theGVS is by far the better choice in ways, but you must, decide.

Any questions please ask, thanks

rgvcam Oct 13, 2009 3:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne12 (Post 1008661)
Maybe most of this. It is usually best to ask for tech support, or the tech section. Support people can have little training. My Internet service provider is very much like that, support people following scripts rather then reading and addressing the question/problem, just find a script that may match and cut, and paste.

Supposedly it was tech support who they passed me onto. I think I may just email them directly to find out.

rgvcam Oct 13, 2009 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parocks (Post 1008561)
From http://www.steves-digicams.com/camer...i8-review.html

Kodak Zi8 Features:
  • 5MP, 1/2.5-inch CMOS imaging sensor

On Kodaks own site specifications it lists the following:

Sensor type 1 / 4.5–type 1.6 MP CMOS

It also says:

Still (5.3 MP, 16:9 widescreen, interpolated)

Which would mean that it cannot be a full 5MP sensor if it's interpolating.

But I am thinking that they screwed up their webpage since the specs inside their manual do list a 5MP sensor.

At least I really hope it's that way around! :laughing-smiley2:

rgvcam Oct 13, 2009 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by falseguardian (Post 1008802)
i can't decide between Aiptek GVS and Zi8.
GVS has zoom which is nice... and the twistable lcd is nice for some applications i need it for.. (putting on the ground to record sports... nice to be able to see the lcd to know where the cam is pointing)
but the form factor of the zI8 also makes it
easier to shoot some situations where people "freeze up" when they see a
video cam... not as much with an iPhone lookalike.

i just tried out the GVS... never tried the zi8, but i can get it for 138 so i am intrigued.

help me pick! thanks

I think fishycomics has pretty much covered it but it depends on what your main use it. If it's just to video friends up close like you would with a camera phone then the Zi8 will work.

The GVS is far more versatile and you'd be surprised at how easy it is to video people even with this camcorder. I have videoed people and they didn't realize I was videoing. It may be because most people are still expecting a traditional camcorder shape being pointed at them and in anycase I think a lot of people these days tend to assume that anything looking like a phone pointed at them is probably videoing as well.

I would make a list of features you need followed by those that would be nice to have and see which one has the longest list. That will be your camera provided the video is to your liking as well of course.

If I didn't have my GVS, I would most likely still buy my GVS over the Kodak but again my needs may be different than yours.

fishycomics Oct 13, 2009 4:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgvcam (Post 1008833)
Supposedly it was tech support who they passed me onto. I think I may just email them directly to find out.

Kodak technical support is located in the Phillipenes, they wil lrepeat your inquerry, and will do their best to help out. i am sure they will find that answer one day. :D

fishycomics Oct 13, 2009 4:15 PM

If the Kodak has the jello effect, or called Rolling shutter i would vear to Aiptek action Hd GVS the GVS has two 60fps settings 858x480, and 1280x720,.

The sound of the Kodak is bassy, the GVS is not. the Kodak again can be raised up only on live feed, meaning before you film. any wind will Muffle .

Hd1080P extremely hard on editing and rendering on slower pcs, but 720p is better, and can live with that if needed hd1080p in intervals, Aiptek not any issue.

I like RGVCAM should make a list but I always recollect pritty well. I tend to forget

kodaks back screen is prone to breaking due to no cover the gvs is prone to a singledrop the mouse and autofocus

fishycomics Oct 13, 2009 5:41 PM

I am Confirming the Kodak ZI8 stabilization is a EIS, and is not as acurate like the Aiptek Action HD GVS.

I am Rendering a Movie while it has a newer codec or issue to my player etc. so I must reformat to a wmvhd file, better for slower speed users to see anyway, with the same proformance.

TheKodak ZI8 has a Rollingshutter Bigtime with the Stabilization on, on a Tv playback on the camera and tv set. As Quicktime is a better player, Windows media player, and Total media extreme seem to suffer. funny how it's now the opposite the Action HDGVS suffers with Quicktime. just my observation.

I as well found out that I may have had a Pixal, I no longersee it on my video as I keptsaying this Am hour. now I wonder if dirt got on, that pin hole LOL treuly it'sa small lense. I cleaned it, and have a RMA in if needed for a exchange.
I just recieved my Sony ext mic. If I can Modify the angle of the plug, or better yet a adapter ofa 90 degree, then i am set Wished the plug was on top now for ext mic. If the plug adapter I find fits, this aswell leads for a modification with led lights attached as one
A the mic will now act as a holder and light fits on top and Mic correctly angles to the surrounding area.

My Continued Observation is needed.

Night time: totally Amazed, because somethingcaught my eye, stopped and had to film, and what i seen was good ole memory stuff, that really made me happy , I " Hada camcorder with me", I said had a CAMCORDER. If I did not have one, I would had to wait the next time. a few things I seen, and rather fumble through controls, worry bout what setting I am in, it's more a pull out of the pocket and have fun. When setting up for self filming. that is the challenge, a make up mirror is needed lol. Samsung has the dual lcd, oneday theuy will embed on these. YourCellphone has dual, why not the hybrids.

I mentioned I had theidea. of a swival or fix for Kodak.

IF Kodak had lowered the screen and placed a center swival joint, with a locking tab the top hal could have turned 180 degrees giving you your self filming. the DOD f 00hd went with a single click angle for more comfort.

Kodak left the cam like a cell, and should have had a more of a grip cut out, I am sure a neopreme cover will fix that. The Kodak can deffently usea waterproof housing TheKodak has a lot to offer, Just notwit the Rolling shutter. I thought I saw a aligator move the manhole cover LOL that is how bad at times it looked when stabilization was used.

contnueing on with my Observations

fishycomics Oct 13, 2009 6:27 PM

Here is my new Mic and adapter, look out it's a Sony hd camcorder LOL. I will be very happy either way. the Mic Just, just clears the screen so rather have issues, a lil lower it must go, or higher.

The Shack 3.00 plus 1/8 3.5mm adapter sterio. and Ebay Sony mic (clone or is it) 5.00 shipped.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9293/66674097.jpg

ApG Oct 14, 2009 12:34 AM

Thanks OP for your in depth review.

I've been lurking this forum and decided to register since getting the Kodak Zi8. Here's a pic.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3662/windscreen2.jpg

The external Sony mic works great. I purchased it on Amazon in the 30 dollar range and after reading some reviews plan on getting the DS70P from ebay and compare it to my current mic.

I really enjoy this pocket camcorder. The only knocks I have are that it always goes back to default setting when its off then turn it back on and no indoor flash for still pictures.

Also another side note, when I record, I have a mini flexible leg tripod attached but have the legs straight and just grip the legs...I find that I am more stable this way with noticeably less shake and helps a bit when I have to record with the Zi8 above my head.

fishycomics Oct 14, 2009 4:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApG (Post 1008992)
Thanks OP for your in depth review.

I've been lurking this forum and decided to register since getting the Kodak Zi8. Here's a pic.


The external Sony mic works great. I purchased it on Amazon in the 30 dollar range and after reading some reviews plan on getting the DS70P from ebay and compare it to my current mic.

I really enjoy this pocket camcorder. The only knocks I have are that it always goes back to default setting when its off then turn it back on and no indoor flash for still pictures.

Also another side note, when I record, I have a mini flexible leg tripod attached but have the legs straight and just grip the legs...I find that I am more stable this way with noticeably less shake and helps a bit when I have to record with the Zi8 above my head.


Thank you, and Welcome aboard. APG....

I do that as alwayswith my smaller units placing the tripod on. great looking mic, and this confirms to me that Black is not Black.
Are you anyway upset that the true black cover is grey?

The camera will remember most settings there are hardely any to begin with.

video res is saved

face detect is saved

Stabilization is saved

Mic is not saved


We have sound , brightness, NTSC, format, info, date that is about it. so to say back to default , there really again is nothing to go back to ifthese are all saved,

ApG Oct 14, 2009 5:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishycomics (Post 1009015)
Thank you, and Welcome aboard. APG....

I do that as alwayswith my smaller units placing the tripod on. great looking mic, and this confirms to me that Black is not Black.
Are you anyway upset that the true black cover is grey?

The camera will remember most settings there are hardely any to begin with.

video res is saved

face detect is saved

Stabilization is saved

Mic is not saved


We have sound , brightness, NTSC, format, info, date that is about it. so to say back to default , there really again is nothing to go back to ifthese are all saved,

Thanks for the correction. I made a big assumption that everything goes back to default when it is mainly the mic gain not getting saved. I was not thinking cos I was blinded by my anger lol. In some of my past videos, I was in a hurry to record and when I got back to review, the audio would be a bit low and just assumed that all other settings wouldn't save even though I know better. (either way sound can get adjusted with video editing software)

I really wanted the Raspberry color Zi8 but opted for the Black one because the raspberry one was either back ordered, unavailable at Kodak or too costly on Amazon... or something like that. The grayish color doesn't bother me one bit, it's fine. But I will be taking a trip to the Philippines and over there they have this thing called G Mask where they apply a thin film protector over any type of gadgets you have and that film has whatever custom design you want. So either way I'll be customizing my Zi8 when I'm there while recording some good videos.

fishycomics Oct 14, 2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApG (Post 1009018)
Thanks for the correction. I made a big assumption that everything goes back to default when it is mainly the mic gain not getting saved. I was not thinking cos I was blinded by my anger lol. In some of my past videos, I was in a hurry to record and when I got back to review, the audio would be a bit low and just assumed that all other settings wouldn't save even though I know better. (either way sound can get adjusted with video editing software)

I really wanted the Raspberry color Zi8 but opted for the Black one because the raspberry one was either back ordered, unavailable at Kodak or too costly on Amazon... or something like that. The grayish color doesn't bother me one bit, it's fine. But I will be taking a trip to the Philippines and over there they have this thing called G Mask where they apply a thin film protector over any type of gadgets you have and that film has whatever custom design you want. So either way I'll be customizing my Zi8 when I'm there while recording some good videos.

sis amd I were talking , they have the site calledZigg. or zagg online that does that unsure the web name but will get it. you will pick one up for me , right?

You may also visit teck support at the Phillipenes

nevrcorrecting just pointing out the good

the red black or bluecan be purchased because you you need to do is order a cover only the battery cover.

If location you're going to has a web addy please pass it on.

andbest of all. we love to see someexcelent shots thanks.

ApG Oct 14, 2009 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishycomics (Post 1009089)
sis amd I were talking , they have the site calledZigg. or zagg online that does that unsure the web name but will get it. you will pick one up for me , right?

You may also visit teck support at the Phillipenes

nevrcorrecting just pointing out the good

the red black or bluecan be purchased because you you need to do is order a cover only the battery cover.

If location you're going to has a web addy please pass it on.

andbest of all. we love to see someexcelent shots thanks.


I've done a little research and http://www.zagg.com/ is the site that does the "invisibleSHIELD" which protects and scratch proofs your devices. The cool thing about it is that they have on site installation retail stores near where I live. I'm going to check it out the next time I'm at the mall. You can check if invisibleSHIELD by Zagg is near you by typing your zip code at the zagg website.

http://gmask.com/ is the other thing that I was talking about. It is very similar to invisibleSHIELD but the main difference is that it works like invisibleSHIELD but the wrap has a design. Check out the site. I know many malls in the Philippines have G mask stores but I'll find out a web addy for exact locations once I find out.

I'm not much of a person that customizes my gadgets but since it's going to be cheap in the Philippines and if I pick a design that's not too cheesy then it would be worth it. Plus it will probably eliminate the fingerprints that the Zi8 is susceptible to as well as make it scratch proof and water resistant.

example of g mask

http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data...th%20gmask.jpg

you can see more on the gmask website.

Thanks for the heads up on getting the different color battery cover. Even though I'll probably stick with my "black" battery cover, it's good to know that I still have the option to get the other colors.

fishycomics Oct 14, 2009 6:05 PM

your other option as well is to have the cover painted , I will check this out, as my Sis hadto order so we'resurethey are not near or are they. enjoy.

fishycomics Oct 14, 2009 7:03 PM

The other day. shot this video and thought I do it over with a lowered mic level. As I am able to edit notmany. I thought I seen something different in color.

I video fram one ofeach within thesame time, and one had a spec of lint, bug etc, not theissue. The Observation:

the Grass to left is less, and the grass to right is more and cam is at the same spot so It is a challange to get clearity every single time one films. I thought I pointthis interesting fact outto you, 50% crop ofeach to save space here.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1532/46469040.png

Wayne12 Oct 15, 2009 12:20 AM

I can't remember if I mentioned this, but have confirmed the data rates are high, close to 24mb/s for1080p and 19mb/s for 720p60, and without looking indepth at picture quality (I am not that well and busy) it looks like quality is high at the moment. This will explain why you are finding it easier to edit 720p. I am having to slow both 1080p and 720p60 down at the moment (the 720p slightly less) for smooth playback but my card should be able to handle it, will have to upgrade to that Nvidia path for h264 acceleration. But I am happy, as long as they have lower data rate versions of the modes for people on a budget with slower machines (mines fairly basic except for the mid range graphics GPU). Shortly even the low end ATI cards and Larrabee cards will handle quite well (don't know when Nvidia will release next generation of cards).

Fishy, any chance that you could show 720p60 at night in normal mode to give an idea of picture performance? Also, is the 1080 mode of the type that has a much narrower field of view than the 720p mode?

I notice the pool shot is a bit yellow, but this could be incorrect lighting mode selection.

Smiles nearly all around ;) . Now for a 1080p60 pocket cheapie knock around to complement the 150fps SHD Scarlet professional.

fishycomics Oct 15, 2009 4:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne12 (Post 1009424)

Fishy, any chance that you could show 720p60 at night in normal mode to give an idea of picture performance? Also, is the 1080 mode of the type that has a much narrower field of view than the 720p mode?

I notice the pool shot is a bit yellow, but this could be incorrect lighting mode selection.

Smiles nearly all around ;) . Now for a 1080p60 pocket cheapie knock around to complement the 150fps SHD Scarlet professional.

Thank you Wayne.

requests are always welcomed, I thought just doing 720p would have been good enough because it shows the video quality. 30 or 60. so I shall do it for ya at 30. I also have to do WVGA, and forgot the sdhc card.

Update: HD720P 30, and WVGA 30 are video'd and will await editing.

The pool shot, I do not have any pool shot. And that was the Adm's test. Yellow did not do a great jobas I mentioned above in a post. I filmed a dandilion standing, and macro, and still, viewed hd tv on set, and pc.

I have a bheirs set of colors as well as a Disney's when given time I will do this test, and one can always take the time to view the actual to the video, at your local Home Depot if in your Area. (smiles)

excelent Observation of the Pcs proformance. I guess you'll wait one more round (drinks) :D my pc is best at 720P30-60 for Kodaks Zi8. the DOD f200hd I can handle hd1080P(1920x1080)


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