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adalfa Aug 19, 2010 9:32 AM

New! Kodak Zi10 Playtouch
 
Kodak's new Zi10 Playtouch soon to be released. It's on pre-order in german and UK netshops at around 200 euros, but will hopefully get a pricedrop soon after release. Check Kodak's homepage for more info.

http://a.imageshack.us/img828/9358/kodakzi10silver.jpghttp://a.imageshack.us/img441/3435/kodakzi10orange.jpghttp://a.imageshack.us/img19/6820/kodakzi10blue.jpghttp://a.imageshack.us/img341/2628/kodakzi10black.jpg

Going to be available in chrome, orange, petrol and black.

This is all I could find regarding the specs.

• 5.0 megapixels CMOS
• Recording media: built-in memory, SD/SDHC
• Video resolution: (1920x1080)
• Picture resolution: JPEG
• 4x digital zoom
• digital image stabilizer
• 3.0" touchscreen TFT colour display
• 128MB built-in memory
• SD card slot (SDHC compatible)
• Connectors: USB 2.0
• Li-Ion battery (KLIC-7004)
• Dimensions (WxHxD): 58x15x109mm
• Weight: 100g

I presume it's the same 1 / 2.5-type 5MP CMOS sensor as used in the Zi8. Only big differences I see is the screen, LED light(I'm not sure, but looks like an LED light infront next to the lens) and size of the device itself. A 3.0" touchscreen sounds nice but is it useable? The menusystem would have to have a makeover to work easy. It would be nice if it also had a touch-focus function, but I guessing it doesn't as it probably has same fixed-focus lens as Zi8. The device is smaller than the Zx3 Playsport.

Hopefully more detailed specs will be available soon. Till then, what do you guys think so far? Is the Zi10 the successor of the Zi8 or...?

Private Idaho Aug 19, 2010 9:52 AM

It will be interesting to find out if they had enough smarts to include the Zi8's external microphone input. If they forgot that, then I won't be upgrading.

fishycomics Aug 19, 2010 2:30 PM

Do you have a link?

I would add this to my collection.

A P.I stated Ext mic, as you stated L.E.D. light or is it a remote sensor for the controls

by looking at the only pic. the side is a on/off, the top has some type of button, and that is your ext mic port( hoping) an the macro/infinity switch is there

adalfa Aug 20, 2010 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishycomics (Post 1131151)
Do you have a link?

Link to sellers?


Quote:

A P.I stated Ext mic, as you stated L.E.D. light or is it a remote sensor for the controls

by looking at the only pic. the side is a on/off, the top has some type of button, and that is your ext mic port( hoping) an the macro/infinity switch is there
Yeah it seems there's something at the right side on top. Either small button or could be a 3.5mm mic-in(I'm crossing my fingers).

I actually quite like the design of the Zi10 Play Touch compared to the Zi8. I wonder how the front looks like?

fishycomics Aug 20, 2010 1:15 PM

you wonder how the back looks. the front is shown, we love link.

As Kodak said the enxt model c will have a name and lol zi 10.

adalfa Aug 21, 2010 8:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishycomics (Post 1131546)
you wonder how the back looks. the front is shown

LOL! I meant to say "back" but somehow my fingers wrote "front" instead. I had a brainfart lol.

Quote:

As Kodak said the enxt model c will have a name and lol zi 10.
I remember when Kodak couldn't decide what to name the Zi8 so they had a contest. Well this time they had no problems deciding, I guess. They just add two to the current model number. Zi6, Zi8 and now Zi10. Zx1 and then Zx3 with the addition of the Playsport name. Now we have the Playtouch.

A dutch gadget site claims the Zi10 has mic-in. See link below for google translated page in funny english and a thumbnail pic of the back.

http://translate.google.dk/translate...65&sl=nl&tl=en

chrisc74 Aug 21, 2010 4:01 PM

i saw this. would be good if its got an external mic.

fishycomics Aug 21, 2010 5:12 PM

As the website stated yes, it has. It is not for us previous owners worth the purchase. as I already own a Samsung Hmx-U10 and can tell you if it is thesame type touchscreen good luck on cold humid days it will not work. and taking your gloves off trying is a load of laughs.

For the new comers you probably going to have a newer designed body that will tip over like the two otehr flawed models, one leans back, the other foward. it has a nice body design, added 3 foot light that only and ONLY captures anything before 3 feet.

WHy offer a L.E.D. flash light, and not a Actual strobe light. I stick to my Dod f200 4 led one.

never saying its a bad cam. trust me I owned wuite a few to point these the good, the bad, and the ugly out.

DonalDuc Aug 23, 2010 7:58 AM

Zi10 with touchscreen

http://666kb.com/i/bm1lyc5hjbkaemgay.jpg

Private Idaho Aug 23, 2010 10:31 AM

Hey, it *does* feature an external microphone input!

THANKS, KODAK!

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsu...ctID.200992300

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-cont...-playtouch.jpg

Looks very nice!

Private Idaho Aug 23, 2010 2:44 PM

A remote control is also available as an option.

I like the remotes because -- when I'm putting the camcorder on a tripod -- they allow me to start/stop the recording process without moving the camcorder and causing the video to shake.

fishycomics Aug 23, 2010 3:11 PM

now who can get me that cam, and when will it be avalable. the screen flips I am sold.

fishycomics Aug 23, 2010 3:17 PM

looks are deceiving, the Mic is mono, I missed it saying External, it is again INTERPOLATED stills. not a 5 meg camera.

229.99 and standard shipping sept 13th hmmm that is around the corner.

and well I wish Ican review, trial, but I know my answer.

no swival screen , that means no 3.0 inch screen its diagnal 3 inch, not 16.9 3 ich. that be 2.7 inch

Private Idaho Aug 23, 2010 3:29 PM

I think the built-in microphone is *mono,* but the external microphone input supports *stereo* microphone recording.

At least, that's the impression I get from reading the specifications.

Private Idaho Aug 23, 2010 3:33 PM

I don't get the impression that the screen really flips; that one photo is a bit confusing because it does convey that impression.

That's one disadvantage because if you want to video yourself, you can't flip the screen around to see yourself.

On the other hand, I suppose that would be one less thing that could get broken over time.

fishycomics Aug 23, 2010 4:20 PM

I jumped to fast, and then found the link, and pc mags pics. they show the cam on the side, and pic taken as a panaramic shot lol. I am thinking to order one, sept 13-16th by Kodak , Amazon the 6th. hmmmm

It is not like the Samsung Hmx so then this may work. bettrer. built in editing Lol that is great, I like that better then paused video. lol

fishycomics Aug 23, 2010 4:39 PM

rumors have it that there is with the ext mic port a headphone jack.

fishycomics Aug 23, 2010 6:25 PM

So in order the widest angle cam in 1080P

1.PT 44mm
2. PS 48mm
3. Zi8 61mm

the Widest in 720p
1.PT 36mm
2.PS 36mm
3.zi8 46mm


looks like not a big difference, the Play sport and touch are identical, and I am sure the EIS will crop hd1080P, while in 720p it says it is effected in EIS.

5.3 meg INTERPOLATED still

1 PT 33mm
2 PS 26mm
3 Zi8 42mm

you get just a lil more umph wit the Playtouch, I will have to slep on this 229.00 less 20.00 and free ship, no tax, 110. 2 days at door step. sounds very tempting, sell a cam to gain some add'l savings, and then I have a collection completed.

this is what Kodak wanted to set out with three excellent Models:
a exicutuve , a sport, a eligant, and they completed the collection

no longer will they fix the Zi8 fw 1.06 nov 2009 1 year from Aug
no change from march 2010 since immediate fw release.

these cams are a great bargain, the Playsport, the zi8 till the Playtouch drops its a decision to be the first or Holidays sale. Paitience, and time will tell.

adalfa Aug 24, 2010 6:33 AM

The back looks very nice indeed. Only one physical button and the rest happens on the capacitive touchscreen.

LOL! Fishy first you kinda dislike it and then you want one. Kodak please send Fishycomics a Zi10 Playtouch to review so he(actually all of us who r interested) can decide wether to purchase one:-)

Private Idaho Aug 24, 2010 9:12 AM

Yes, the major change with this model is the TOUCH SCREEN.

No doubt TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLS are a trend in the industry based on the success of APPLE's iPhone and iPod Touch and iPad devices.

fishycomics Aug 24, 2010 2:06 PM

yes I am torn, between a rock and a hard place, omething like that. I already have the water proof, I already have the older, imagine if they were combined as one.

I am undecided b/c I know i will not be able to combine clips as a whole, but one clip edit the unwanted.

I know the dig zoom will be a issue as its touch the screen, not the actual manual buttons, wet hands not good.

I know the led will light u a walking path, and not a actual strobe, red eye reducer.

I know this list can go on and on. but I should find out if the site will hep or my pockets get shallow.

fishycomics Aug 24, 2010 6:18 PM

1 it looks like this will be a sweeter cam in my eyes, but yet no ext mic, still not a problem to modify one on board.

It is waterproof to ten feet, but a lil late as JVC announces in sept 2010, it seems we are in for a store this fal. a number of releases.

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/zdnet-jvc-g...e_skin;content

SuperRoach Aug 25, 2010 9:17 AM

Oh. my. gosh. The zi10 is finally coming out.

I was really interested at first, until I noted that the sensor appears to be the same... and the main feature is the touch screen. Movie editing on the fly is nice, but I had it back on the old nokia n93 - there's always something you miss out on having, or it's too slow.

What would sweeten the deal, is if it would do hdmi live output, so it could be used for more than just playback of videos over hdmi.

garman Aug 25, 2010 11:44 PM

On the fly editing would be really nice, but I don't know why these things don't come with real stabilization. EIS just bites. I personally don't see much difference when turned off or on. I think cost may be the sticking point to make a hardware change.

fishycomics Aug 26, 2010 4:03 AM

on the fly editing no, paused video nope so editing is basically a waste if asked. only benefit will be removing unwanted footage on clip, per file, not in combination. and that only saves file space.
Price is way too steep 230.00 less a penny, should have been 189.99 set .

They offer free shipping , 10.00 saving Lol.

Private Idaho Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM

Hands-on review by PC MAGAZINE:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368140,00.asp

PC Mag's reviewer liked the new model.

Private Idaho Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM

Nice PC MAG slide show:

http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewe...3D1,00.asp?p=n

Private Idaho Aug 27, 2010 10:54 AM

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/...91&sz=1,00.jpg

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/...93&sz=1,00.jpg

fishycomics Aug 27, 2010 2:40 PM

read it, as the JVC looks like its full touchscreen vs semi touchscreen, I forget which of the res's is shown highest to lowest eeach varies. yeah zi8 left to right, and zx3 up to down andon side still, so wonder exactly where that still is ? lol.

not a great thing if you have to zoom with touch screen inacurrate zooming.

Private Idaho Aug 27, 2010 3:16 PM

It appears the Kodak model's key outstanding feature -- other than the TOUCH SCREEN -- is the external microphone input, which might attract individuals who are very concerned about audio.

The JVC Picsio GC-WP10...

http://picsio.jvc.com/lineup_01/index.html

http://picsio.jvc.com/lineup_01/imag...p_photo_01.jpg

- is "waterproof" to 10 feet;
- supports Apple's iFrame (960 x 540) easy-edit format
- supports optional Eye-Fi cards for wireless uploading

...but the JVC lacks the external microphone input.

One way to overcome the lack of an external microphone input is to purchase an additional audio recorder.

The JVC also appears to lack the ability to be controlled by a remote control while the Kodak PLAYTOUCH camcorder model can be controlled by an optional remote control sold by Kodak.

Private Idaho Aug 27, 2010 3:40 PM

The new Sanyo competitor, the VPC-PD2...

http://us.sanyo.com/Dynamic/ImageMan...K/CallOuts.jpg

- lacks an external microphone input.

- also lacks the ability to be controlled by a remote control.

On the other hand...

- it features a 3x *optical* zoom

- it supports Apple's iFrame easy-edit format

- it supports optional Eye-Fi cards and wireless uploading

Sanyo appears to be "betting" that consumers won't be lured by the TOUCH SCREEN functionality of the JVC and Kodak models. The Sanyo features physical buttons.

Private Idaho Aug 27, 2010 3:51 PM

The Kodak PLAYTOUCH also features the in-camera editing feature:

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/...84&sz=1,00.jpg

Each of these models offers something different.

Private Idaho Aug 27, 2010 4:35 PM

I think the big, interesting test will be side-by-side video quality comparisons.

fishycomics Aug 27, 2010 5:17 PM

As we are already previous owners , I would trade in with Kodak for an upgrade, only if they offer a fair deal, not 10% of the price I paid.

Those who never owned any of the Kodak series, are going to now have Three through Six choices. and I am sure no matter which one they chose.
Will do just fine

I Lean to the Kodak Zi8 optimum use in any situation given.

No matter how Loud the scene the cam will be a work of Art.

There are no needs to have ll the extras that a pc can do and if space is greatly needed then its a clear choice the Playtouch I preferre notto edit on a cam that the battery will deplete in no time, but hey there was plenty of room for a solar cell, todays time go green.

fishycomics Aug 27, 2010 5:19 PM

the actual interior editor does it do each file, seperately, and join each seperate file, the paused video of AIptek is the better if asked of editing.

fishycomics Aug 27, 2010 5:29 PM

the xacti looks way more a professional HD cam and that would be a better choice, unsure if the stereo mic work out as the palm of the hands index finger would interfere, in blocking the sound

rgvcam Aug 30, 2010 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishycomics (Post 1134435)
the xacti looks way more a professional HD cam and that would be a better choice, unsure if the stereo mic work out as the palm of the hands index finger would interfere, in blocking the sound

Actually I think the placing of the stereo mics might be well placed on the Sanyo. Using my Cellphone as a test I find my fingers would naturally rest below the mics and it has to otherwise you'd obscure the lens anyway.

The stereo separation should be much better than on their pistol grip ones since the mics are much further separated and point in the direction of human ears.

fishycomics Sep 4, 2010 8:34 AM

sept 27th 2010. that is a three week deleay at least.

Wayne12 Sep 6, 2010 5:26 AM

He, he, I thought it would be new model shortly, so I resisted buying the playsport, but this is a little disappointing. 50/60 frames per second fullHD and 8mp+, or 3D, would have been in line, at least it is not a stripped down version of the playsport.

I wonder if there will be any other new models? A water proof version with all the macro and external mic features would be welcome.

Can you properly make a new clip from clipping an existing clip, then join it together to another clip?

Anyway, guys, I have my Sanyo GC20.(a $100 discount while on holiday) I can put a few features of the Kodak into perspective:

The 10mp does help the noise compared to past 5mp, it is not so much the reduction in noise at lower resolutions, but that the noise looks a lot better compared to the 5mp Kodak zi8, because it averages out the noise below the pixels. In low light, at first it does not really appear much better than my zi6 (yes, $69 before the Sanyo was discounted) but fiddling around with the low light features in the extensive menus I got it better (Kodaks do this automatically). I think it maybe possibly as good as the Kodak Playsport in low light. I suspect that the playsport lowers resolution to increase light gathering ability, and one of the modes in the Sanyo also does this, if so it mgith match it.

The wider angle of the Sanyo and new Kodak helps a lot, unless you want to keep further away from the lion, then the optical/digital zoom comes in handy. It also collects more light due to being closer and concentrating the light on a smaller part of the sensor, which also means that it might be able to handle less bright light. But with advancements in technology, one sensors ability might naturally be more to start with compared to previous versions.

On camera editing is handy, but depends on how well/easy and comprehensive it is (yes some minor transitional effects, Title/subtext editing, and dubbing/audio effects would be good).

Handling of the vertical and pistol grip camera formats is fiddly in different ways. Trying to press controls on the vertical, or the buttons on the pistol grip, produced movement.

As stated before remotes are really useful, and should be standard. In comparison, my upmarket but cheaply endowed $349 Sanyo, has no wrist band, no HDMI cable, a laughingly short USB cable that all came standard with the $69 discounted zx1. To get a proper manual to tell you what the menu features do you are supposed to log on line. I actually have to buy a Sanyo TV and use it's remote through the HDMI hookup to get a remote for the Sanyo, boo, hiss. Good on you Kodak, but you really need to include the remotes, most stores around here do not stock the accessories, I did not see one remote on my travels.

In a warm climate, some of these touch pads work too well.


As a personal note, my local member is busy tonight deciding on the new Prime Minister.

adalfa Sep 17, 2010 7:41 AM

Youtube videos of the Kodak Zi10 Playtouch. Seems to be available in the US already. Not available in Europe yet.

Kodak's Andrei Andrievsky talks about the device.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBUqyV9WCRQ

Unboxing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nvuBxHgP7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5u4T2QK-RA

Kodak's product videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JaroPrqZqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87UQKBvsxqY

Product test by vlogger dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKbVQ25K1Qo

Video samples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RX20vQ4afI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RLY0N8IChM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXDkfDQaHhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcdOi1m7BhM


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