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dahauss Dec 16, 2010 9:52 AM

zi8 vs zi10
 
After doing a LOT of reading and watching videos I can not decide which one, the ZI8 or ZI10 is the better one to get. I have $1000 panasonic camera for my GOOD shooting but this kodak will be for every day carrying around since it is so small. HOWEVER, I read a lot of negative reviews on the ZI10.

Any insight to which one is the better camera would be appreciated......

Private Idaho Dec 16, 2010 2:10 PM

Go with your "gut."

I have two (2) Zi8s.

I like them fine.

Zi10 does seem to get not-so-flattering reviews on some Web sites; but who knows? Some love that model too.

dahauss Dec 16, 2010 2:30 PM

Well I see a LOT of BAD reviews of the ZI10 and not so many BAD reviews of the ZI8 .. I just dont know... a bunch of people I know went by reviews and have just ordered the ZI8 ....

any additional info would be appreciated....

Private Idaho Dec 16, 2010 3:15 PM

Here's a YouTube comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwX2m...eature=related

Private Idaho Dec 16, 2010 3:16 PM

And another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPqYO...eature=related

Private Idaho Dec 16, 2010 3:22 PM

One more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahXFx...eature=related

fishycomics Dec 16, 2010 3:45 PM

As I cannot do what I want to do now, I will say lean to the ZI8 it is the better cam on the budget, and lean to the Play touch if you can spend a little more then the budget allows. chrisc74 Private Idaho, points to his video, and Jeff's the yare both a excellent one, and do not forget mine wen I finalize a long extensive review.

I can take a excellent shot, but I cannot with a budget cam, no matter where the sun is this is the best it will ever get, it is not a camera, it is a camcorder primary, then a camera secondary

http://i55.tinypic.com/m7gwmw.jpg

dahauss Dec 16, 2010 3:52 PM

What do you mean lean towards the play touch if your budget allows? My budget allows for either cam at this point but from the reviews it seems the ZI8 is the better choice? Am I missing something? From all the specs, the cameras should be almost the same but I see a lot of bad ZI10 reviews and the video looks better on the ZI8. any more comments...


Thanks....

fishycomics Dec 16, 2010 4:24 PM

If your budget is limited you go with the Zi8, if you can afford to spend just a lil more you ....

If you never owned a Zi8, you now have that option to get the Play touch. It is the newer camcorder, and you can compare the differences what are the diffrence?

example the Zi8 has playback speeds of up to 16x, te Play touch up to 4x

To take away 8x and 16x may mean the world to previous owners that have the ZI8, that may want to purchase the newer version cam.

So eac cam as ups and downs, ere is another , and it is te main reason why I Lean towards the Zi8

External mic port plugin.

when recording a video, you have full control of recording with te external mic port, you may plug in after you hit the record, and remove during the record, the only interuption will be 1.5 seconds of silience.

Play touch. to be tested further. when recording avideo, you are limited and cannot unplug external mic, your video will lose sound.

Like said tere are many ups and downs to go through and why I lean to te Zi8.

I will say tis, today I went to a trail, I taken that picture, that was basically the only picture that came out good, understanding this is a camcorder first, still camera secondary.

I cannot show you video, and will have tem made at a later date, I have people talking, nad I cannot hear a single word tehy said in the Play touch clip at all. and taht was with a external or internal mic at 70% turned up.

Private Idaho Dec 17, 2010 2:53 PM

I don't think the Zi10 is a bad camera.

But it's just not enough to lure me to upgrade from my Zi8s.

If I were starting all over again, it would not be a contest between the Zi8 or the Zi10.

For me, it would be a contest between the Kodak Playsport and other models, especially now that it's obvious to me that the best way to record audio with all of these pocket camcorders is to use a separate audio recorder for higher quality audio. So the lack of a microphone input no longer would prevent me from buying a Kodak Playsport.

The only thing I would want to double-check is to make sure the Playsport model can record while plugged into a wall outlet because I need to record for long periods of time.

My Sanyo VPC-CG6 models can't record while plugged into a wall outlet, which is a dirty rotten shame that makes those models less useful. I've donated them to my employer, but they hardly get any use because of that rotten fact. So, I've also had to donate my Aiptek Action HD and my Aiptek GO-HD+ models and I've also donated my two (2) Panasonic SDR-S10s. Finally, we have enough camcorders at work to get the video we need.

For audio, I still have to loan my Olympus recorders from time to time.

Private Idaho Dec 17, 2010 2:58 PM

http://drh1.img.digitalriver.com/DRH...le_645x370.jpg

Also, the Playsport is far less expensive.

Private Idaho Dec 17, 2010 3:11 PM

P.S.
 
New models should be coming out in another two (2) months from some manufacturers.

fishycomics Dec 17, 2010 3:49 PM

zi8 uninterrupted recording with ac no matter how you go about it

Zi10 and PS once you unplug ac, it's over

another reason the zi8 keeps looking better and better

Private Idaho Dec 17, 2010 5:06 PM

I'm happy with my Kodak Zi8s.

My experience with still photos has been mixed; some look terrific and others look a bit blurry and I think it might be due to the fact this camcorder -- in low light -- absolutely requires a tripod for still photo shooting.

I also got blurry macro shots, but maybe that was due to not using a tripod.

I'll have to test that further to know for certain if a tripod could help.

Very pleased with video.

While the audio is just "barely OK" with the internal microphone input, I now prefer to record audio with one of my Olympus micro audio recorders and then sync the tracks in my Magix software.

vwestlife Dec 17, 2010 5:29 PM

I get the feeling that the Playtouch (Zi10) still has some serious firmware bugs, but Kodak really wanted to have a new camcorder to compete with the new Flip and Sony models during this Christmas season, so they rushed it to market before they could get everything fixed. Hopefully future firmware updates will fix the audio problems, and at least get it working on par with the Zi8.

Private Idaho Dec 17, 2010 5:42 PM

I think the BIG COMPETITION was the APPLE iPod TOUCH:

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/galle...6.jpg#gallery3

The 8 GB model is only $229.

There's no way I would now pay $200 for a regular hybrid over an 8 GB iPod Touch.

The Kodak Playsport remains competitive at a price below $115.

A Zi8 can be had for $99 on Amazon so that also remains competitive.

I don't think the PlayTouch -- at $150 on Amazon -- is competitive against the Apple iPod Touch 8gb model.

Bottom line: Apple has changed the game.

Private Idaho Dec 17, 2010 5:43 PM

Also... the iPod TOUCH can record very high quality AUDIO!

fishycomics Dec 17, 2010 9:26 PM

and it made millions for one rock band who was not well known.

If it can edit video I am sold

Private Idaho Dec 17, 2010 10:54 PM

As a matter of fact, the Apple iPod TOUCH really *can* edit video!

http://images.apple.com/ipodtouch/ga...1_20101116.jpg

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/featu...recording.html

Quote:

Built-in editing gives video a fun-tuning. No need to wait until you’re back at your computer to edit video. With basic editing built into iPod touch, you can get right down to business. Just drag to select start and end points on a filmstrip. Keep only the parts of the video you want, and turn it into something you and your friends will watch again and again.
Editing power is *very* simple.

It's called iMovie for iPod TOUCH:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id377298193?mt=8

Only $4.99.

fishycomics Dec 19, 2010 6:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Private Idaho (Post 1179316)
As a matter of fact, the Apple iPod TOUCH really *can* edit video!



http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/featu...recording.html



Editing power is *very* simple.

It's called iMovie for iPod TOUCH:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id377298193?mt=8

Only $4.99.

Editing Kewl, to me the beginning and end clipping, is not editing. sould be able to edit beginning , end and joining of clips, wit a simple basic cross fade, add some brigtness sat, but hey its not a powerful unit then is it?

Please load pics that are not off screen

Private Idaho Dec 20, 2010 10:11 AM

The pics aren't off my screen; they must only be off of your screen because of your computer's video display adapter setting.

fishycomics Dec 20, 2010 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Private Idaho (Post 1180052)
The pics aren't off my screen; they must only be off of your screen because of your computer's video display adapter setting.

Correct I am on not a 16:9 ratio. I appologise . still we can resize just a lil next time, like the 1st pic it is fine the last one is by far larger.

fishycomics Dec 20, 2010 5:25 PM

thought I post up a real picture than just a picture of the Zi10

Its not a canon rebel. Its just a Kodak camcorder

http://i53.tinypic.com/jfcbhu.jpg

fishycomics Dec 20, 2010 5:27 PM

and no its not crocked its a gator

Private Idaho Dec 30, 2010 6:02 PM

I've done some testing in the past few days.

I do love my Kodak Zi8s, video is great, but I've noted some weaknesses:

1. The audio is a bit too noisy for my tastes... even when the external microphone input is utilized with high-quality external microphones. Perhaps a noise-cancelling microphone would help.

2. Still pictures are inconsistent mainly due to lack of a FLASH. If there's ample lighting in the day, then one should get excellent photos. But if one is in a low light situation, the Kodak will struggle. Use of a tripod will help in all cases. Even MACRO shots can come out nice if a tripod is used and if a certain distance is maintained.

fishycomics Dec 31, 2010 7:08 AM

Private Idaho writes;
I do love my Kodak Zi8s, video is great, but I've noted some weaknesses:

1. The audio is a bit too noisy for my tastes... even when the external microphone input is utilized with high-quality external microphones. Perhaps a noise-cancelling microphone would help.

Yeah the sound is the best ever, its like Apples to oranges. no matter what scenerio I put, the Kodak sound board can only do nothing more than record general sound.

2. Still pictures are inconsistent mainly due to lack of a FLASH. If there's ample lighting in the day, then one should get excellent photos. But if one is in a low light situation, the Kodak will struggle. Use of a tripod will help in all cases. Even MACRO shots can come out nice if a tripod is used and if a certain distance is maintained.

If that was true, lack of flash, what about, F-stop, ISO 50-800, and whitebalance, they all play a toll for the proformance.I believe it is the user at times forced shots. The cam has two F-stops, as well ISo and WB, a tripod I could not agree more on, at most times. the macro/infinity must be te correct distance, why te cams are called Fixedfocused .


fcptv Apr 3, 2011 12:09 PM

After 4 months after the last post from here did Kodak made any update on Zi10 ? I want to buy it but after the reviews i saw on november - december i don't know what to do :)


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