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Old Apr 9, 2007, 1:09 PM   #1
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I recently purchased my wife an Aiptek IS DV-2 hybrid camera. She wanted something other than our Mini DV player to carry around to film our little baby from time to time.

We were so impressed with it that I bought myself an Aiptek MPVR+ (DV-8800 I believe). It is also a cool device. At first I had voice sync issues, but a firmware upgrade fixed that. BUT, the video that it produces, especially in daylight, is far worse than my wife's DV-2. In low light it performs slightly better than hers, but is very grainy. The video under normal light seems way too sharpened and just doesn't look good at all.


So here is my question. I want a camera with all of the features of the MPVR+ but with the video quality of my wife's IS DV-2. I would definitely like a hybrid that can film in 720X480 if possible and has a video in so that I can record movies/TV.

I have been searching this forum for a while, but want to hear from the folks that have experience with a lot of different cameras. Is there anything out there that has better video quality than the MPVR+, can film at 720X480 and has a video in?

Any help would be appreciated. I saw an IS-DV2+ today at CC and it does everything ALMOST. It doesn't have a video in jack.




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Old Apr 9, 2007, 3:18 PM   #2
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Welcome Puck......

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=92

As you know the site is slow at times especially on weekends holiday weekend ,LOL may find one or two people lingering

the MZ-dv may be a look into hybrid, as well as an over seas model I hear others talking about? the t300 is it? a hd quality that is not available to the USA market?

I have been quite busy making the raw footage, and it sounds like you got a 8 meg MPVR+?

the MPVR+ is a bigger cmos sensor allowing more light into the hybrid while the smaller sensor of the MPVr is better? some do love the ispan as well,

RGVCAM has mentioned the MPVR PLUS, and PVR are being pulled off the shelves as we speak?

As a owner of a good quantity? the link I posted will only show you footage the actual footage, while MZdvguy I believe has them in this topic

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=92

take a look they are of raw footage in Florida I believe by the airport?

He pops in from time to time, but some never do ever come back. sorry i do not have any footage or a newer one. awaiting just like you?
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Old Apr 9, 2007, 7:30 PM   #3
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Thanks for the response Fishy...

I took a few movies of the same subject with the two Aiptek cameras outside today and the IS-DV 2 looked superior to me over the 8 Meg MPVR+. The sad thing is that the main difference seems to be a sharpening issue. The MPVR just seems oversharpened. This probably could be fixed with a firmware upgrade, but those don't seem common for Aiptek.

Basically after researching it appears only a handful of cameras out there will have the same features as the MPVR and be able to film at 720 X 480.

- SVP DV8800 and the Digilife 6120a

Anyone have any experience with these? Would I be better off forking over an extra $100 to get the new Sanyo Xacti CG6? Will there be a big quality difference in video if I do?


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I had the PVR which had the same problems. The MPVR+ and the PVR are basically the DV 8800 under a different name. In fact the EXIF information for the PVR says that it is a DV8800 and I wouldn't be surprised if the MPVR+ does as well.
Anyway I was in contact with Aiptek and sent them many test video samples. As you yourself said, it appeared that the video was oversharpened. I eventually got them to swap it for a regular MPVR. I used to have the original IS-DV (until I lost it) which has the regular camcorder shape and it was a great little camera. The video image was much softer.

I bought these for much the same reason as you, ie for filming our baby (who is now 20 months old).

I also bought a Sanyo C40 for just over $230 on amazon.com which not only has better video than the Aiptek but has stereo sound as well.

After some tests with image software I managed to replicate the problem as to being down to their resizing algorithn. ie instead of resampling it appears to just resize which in regular image software produces an oversharp smaller image.

I have the impression that this is not firmware related as I would have thought they'd have come out with a fix by now rather than lose money withdrawing them.

I was basically told not to expect a fix anytime soon which tends to backup what I just said.
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Old Apr 9, 2007, 10:22 PM   #5
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I think you nailed it rgvcam. What you mentioned definitely describes the problem I am having. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect much from these little cameras. I'd buy an HD miniDV camcorder if I wanted superb video. I just expect useable video, which the IS-DV 2 provides. In fact the video reminds me of those old cameras my folks used to film us with back in the 70's. It's got a cool look to it. Unfortunately the MPVR+ just looks way too digital and blocky. I wonder if it's too late to return it to Target. Anyone know their return policy?


Regardless...The two cameras I mentioned in my last message (SVP DV8800 and the Digilife 6210a) are both around $200. For $99 more I can get a Sanyo CG6 that just came out.

What would you do rgvcam? You have experience with these little cams and the higher end Xacti. Is it a good step up in video quality?

Thanks!
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Old Apr 10, 2007, 12:18 AM   #6
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PUCK22, Target has a very generous 90 day return period although they do state they charge a 15% restocking fee on electronics. Last time I returned an Aiptek camera they didn't enforce it so you may be lucky. Having said that, with the MPVR+ I'd still return it even with the 15% restocking fee.

I agree with your comment about how the video has that film look. I have also said on this forum, that it reminded me of when I played around with Super 8 film briefly in the 80's (when it was already considered obsolete!). Just mute the sound for full effect :G

I like my Sanyo C40. The difference in the video between it and the Aiptek isn't huge. but it just has a more professional feel to it. The Aipteks suffer from silly little glitches such as sound sync and artifacts which i guess is the price you pay for a more inexpensive product. Having said that, the Aipteks aren't bad little devices as long as you get a model that doesn't suffer from them as much.

I would recommend the original IS-DV which you can get for $109 new on aiptek.com. One major advantage over the IS-DV2 is that it has a proper swivelling LCD. Also the LED lights on the IS-DV2 are next to useless anyway.

Aiptek do make little gems now and then though. I remember buying the Aiptek Pencam SD 1.3 for $30 from Walmart a long while back. It took photos almost as good as my old Olympus D340R! I was stunned, plus it can do 640x480 video though admittedly without sound at 6-8 fps. They do look very arty and cool though! This comment from someone who is generally not very into 'arty' things.
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Thanks for the info rgvcam. The wife loves her DV-2. I am always impressed with the video it takes for such a small unit. Low light isn't so great and actually that's the one area that the MPVR+ is better.

One problem is that I ordered a remote and extra battery from Aiptek for the MPVR+, so I may be better off finding an MPVR somewhere. The 6MB one. Is that one any good or is it crap too? I really like the ability to record off of the DVD or TV, so I'd like a unit that has that ability.

If the video quality of the Sanyo's aren't that much better, I may just save the extra $100 and go for another Aiptek. Wish they had optical zoom though. The digital zoom just doesn't cut it.


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puck...

I guess you did not see the footage of the mpvr in the actual raw footage section? or other stuff?

the IS-DV2 or the MPVR, Pluse etc

In low light will al be just about the same?If you ask me?

if you use night mode and in a correct low light you'll get your superb shot. in the Pinned top ropic you'll se the footage of whhat most, and some people expect?

As for a choice RGVCAM can tell you , CAlium can tell you? Oldhacer can tell ya? even Mzdvguy can tell ya they own

aiptek

I do not push it but it seems that I lean to the MPVR due to the bigger screen and back buton gotten used to it

I rather use my Mustek dv4500 for longer battery life a better filming device but it is my al time favorite in ways.

the cmos lens , sensor, chip, or firmware is poor on the MPVR+ but we'll never know.............


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Old Apr 10, 2007, 11:53 AM   #9
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puck22,

I thought you might like a few samples to look at.

These samples show the problems I experienced on my PVR:

Look at the grill on the bus:
http://media.putfile.com/PVR5

I next did a test on a house with these 3 cameras.

This first one was done with the PVR. Notice all the distorted rainbow effect on the brickwork. Taiwan kept saying that this is the 'moire' effect and that all cameras suffer from this. They are partially correct, however they don't all suffer from it to *this* extent, as you can see from the other two samples below.
http://media.putfile.com/PVR3104

Now the regular MPVR. Not great, but certainly much better that the PVR. Still has blotchyness though.
http://media.putfile.com/Aiptek-MPVR

Now here is my Sanyo C40. The best of the three, with more detail.
http://media.putfile.com/sanyo1

Following here are some general samples from my cameras.

Sanyo C40 samples:
http://media.putfile.com/sanyo5
http://media.putfile.com/sanyo6
http://media.putfile.com/sanyo7

If you want to see the full unrecompressed quality of the Sanyo C40, there are some downloadable files on this page:
http://dcexp.com/gallery/SanyoC40

Not all of them are mine, but here is one that is:

http://dcexp.com/albums/SanyoC40/StreetMusic.mp4

This shows the stereo sound ability of the Sanyo C40. As you can see, I was filming across the street, so the sound pickup is pretty decent for this little camera.

Here is a sample from my original IS-DV, that I once had, video of a water fountain:
http://media.putfile.com/Fountain-55

Finally, for reference, here are a couple of samples from my IS-DV2 which I tried briefly but took back because I didn't like the non rotating LCD screen. Other than that it was a good little camera. As I said though, the LED lights were useless. The problem appears to be that the CMOS sensor just isn't sensitive enough to the light output as they seem to be bright enough.

http://media.putfile.com/IS-DV2-VIDEO1
http://media.putfile.com/ISDV2-VIDEO2

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thanks to the person tehy now added .mov today
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