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Old Jan 7, 2008, 1:20 AM   #41
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True, but when you really think about it, how many times do you pan quickly across a scene?

I come from the old school where we really discouraged a lot of fast panning (and zooming, for that matter).

This problem does not seem to be terribly important with slow pans.

Now, I would be the first to admit this type of camera probably isn't the best choice for sports.

But -- other than that -- it can probably do an acceptable job for many types of shooting where a cheap camera is best.

Would you, for example, consider using your prized Sanyo VPC-CG6 as a crash cam?

I think not.

I would be more inclined, however, to sacrifice a cheap Aiptek, if I wanted to take a risky shot.

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adric22 wroteon't forget that the Sanyo products don't suffer from the "wavy" problem, either.[/quote]
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Old Jan 7, 2008, 1:28 PM   #42
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Okay.. I made a little test video. Obviously youtube degrades the quality to some extent, but I think the example is still pretty good.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJkeoGSxor8
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Old Jan 7, 2008, 1:54 PM   #43
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Aiptek has the better sound but others nat differ
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Old Jan 7, 2008, 1:54 PM   #44
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Aiptek has the better sound but othersmay differ
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Old Jan 7, 2008, 4:35 PM   #45
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Exactly as I thought.

Sanyo = higher fidelity due to 48KHz sampling rate and better stereo microphone, but the background noise is definitely audible, making it something I would not want to use in many circumstances.

Aiptek = lower fidelity due to incredibly low 11.025KHz "telephone" quality sampling rate, but not nearly as much background hiss (using my ISDV2.4), but your ISDV2 audio seems completely ruined... what is that noise?

Which is best?

I could normalize the Aiptek audio of my ISDV2.4 and make it sound better for the recording of close subjects.

Otherwise, I would not be inclined to use either of them.

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Old Jan 7, 2008, 4:37 PM   #46
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By the way, put on a pair of stereo headphones that are plugged into your computer to hear the Sanyo hiss.

It's not easy to hear if you're listening through poor quality computer speakers.

Once you hear it, however, you can't miss it (unless you're not used to hearing really good field audio).

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The only way I would be able to use the Sanyo audio would be after processing it in a good noise removal program to filter out that awful background noise, which is subtle yet incredibly annoying to my ear.

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Old Jan 7, 2008, 4:52 PM   #48
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P.S. My Aiptek ISDV2.4 sounds better than your Aiptek ISDV2.

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Old Jan 7, 2008, 4:57 PM   #49
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Oh, and did you forget to *normalize* the audio from both camcorders.

If so, your test would seem to be invalid, in my view.

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Old Jan 7, 2008, 5:01 PM   #50
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In addition, both clips have undergone further compression for publication on "YouTube," further rendering the test invalid.

I can do better.

When I get time, I'll post a test that I believe will truly settle this.

I'll record...

1. RAW CLIPS (not re-encoded/ruined);

2. CLIPS THAT HAVE BEEN NORMALIZED.

I'll let you know the link when I'm finished.

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