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Old Feb 29, 2008, 9:14 PM   #11
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In my opinion, badge engineering is just laziness. Of course they do it to avoid design and retooling costs as well but it dilutes their brand. This is dfferent though to just having a product designed and manufactured by another company that is exclusive to you.
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Old Feb 29, 2008, 10:02 PM   #12
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Agree.

Toshiba's PDF, however, seems to contradict the claim that the Camileo Pro HD features an HDMI port. The PDF suggests it's still a component out:

http://www.toshiba-europe.com/smalla...mileo_spec.pdf

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Old Mar 1, 2008, 12:04 PM   #13
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It's not really laziness. You have to understand the industry from the inside. Even a lot of your favorite cameras (as well as a lot of your electronics) are put together using developer kits and supplies from other companies. We know the Aiptek is using the Ambarella chipset which probably using a test board and turnkey method of implementing a camcorder. And Aiptek is not the only company using Ambarella. Likewise my AVeL Linkplayer2 HD DVD and network player is based on a Sigma Graphics chipset and developer kit. Other companies use Sigma Graphics stuff to and they don't sell directly to the public. Also look at NVidia, they just license their chipset to graphics card manufacturers.

At the top of the corporate food chain management wants product to generate revenue. They budget some development for in-house since that can also be licensed and sold to other companies even for "competing" products. Then some of the budget is for acquiring and licensing or rebranding products to generate revenue. It's not all about innovation, it more about making money.

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Old Mar 1, 2008, 11:08 PM   #14
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More information about these Toshiba models can be found on Toshiba's European Web site.

Here's a link to a PDF file that explains all three Toshiba "Camileo" models:

http://www.toshiba-europe.com/smalla...mileo_spec.pdf

Here's a FLASH Web site that explains all of Toshiba's camcorders, including the "Camileo" and the A and K "Gigashot" series:

http://www.toshiba-europe.com/smalla...ex.asp?lang=en

Here's an HTML site that explains the A and K "Gigashot" models and the Camileo models as well:

http://www.toshiba-europe.com/smalla...lain/index.asp

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Old Mar 2, 2008, 8:59 PM   #15
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It is a shame there is no review of the gigashot 720p cameras. From the pictures in the manual it seems to have better quality than the 1080i models and a cheaper price.
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Old Mar 3, 2008, 3:38 PM   #16
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I gave up on most of the major camcorder review sites long ago.

They became too predictable.

Canon and Sony get the kudos; Sanyo, Toshiba barely get mentioned.

Most camcorder review sites, in truth, are a D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R.

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