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Old Apr 25, 2008, 1:12 PM   #121
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Well, Fishy has all these cameras. Maybe he can go out and record a scene with the Aiptek models and then record the same exact scene with the Jazz and upload the videos on their pure form on upload.com or Megaupload on a Zip file and we can download it and compare.


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Even if the chip is different in the HDV188, I don't remember seeing a hugh difference in the videos output. Perhaps the HDV188 may be able to cope with more complex scenes better.

I guess it's going to need someone who has both shooting exactly the same scene and then comparing them frame by frame.
But he doesn't have the HDV188 and in that thread it was implied that the 188 had a superior chip to the 178. So these are the two models we need compared directly.
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Old Apr 25, 2008, 1:55 PM   #122
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This Saturday I am going to the Arabian Nights dinner show in Orlando. I am going to take my Jazz with me (hopefully they allow video recording. I'm not sure) but if they do, I will test it there and see how it comes out. Then I will of course upload the files in pure form so you guys can see them.

UPDATE: Well I guess I'm out of luck. I just called Arabian Nights and they don't allow video recording, only snapshots. I guess I will have to try something else then.
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Old Apr 25, 2008, 2:09 PM   #123
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Have put a couple of jazz 188 clone videos on vimeo

http://www.vimeo.com/940962


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Old Apr 25, 2008, 2:22 PM   #124
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Make a longer video and upload it to www.megaupload.com on a Zip file, on its pure form so we can check it out. Vimeo compresses the video to Flash format therefore the quality is decreased and we can't really appreciate its true form.

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Have put a couple of jazz 188 clone videos on vimeo

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Old Apr 25, 2008, 2:59 PM   #125
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I agree with private idaho, kind of "relative" in some of the cheap camcorders can shoot video that kill $300 to $500 camcorders.

I did take a look at the Panasonic PV-Gs300 here and it is nice. 3 ccd is nice, and if there are some that are affordable like this, I would get it. Many of the multi hundred dollar camcorders are ok and why so many are looking at these "cheap" mybrids. I would love to find a cheap hybrid that gave outstanding video (even with bad audio, I could dub this) but it seems they are falling short over and over. Kind of sad.

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Have put a couple of jazz 188 clone videos on vimeo

http://www.vimeo.com/940962

Awesome detail.... wow!

By the way, you know that the vid can be downloaded in it's original form on Vimeo, right? There's usually a download button to the lower right of the page...
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Old Apr 25, 2008, 4:28 PM   #127
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Have put a couple of jazz 188 clone videos on vimeo

http://www.vimeo.com/940962

A nostalgic view of blighty there for me!


[flash=320,256]http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=925816&server=http://www.vimeo.com&fullscreen=1&show_ti tle=1&show_byline=1&show_portrait= 0&color="[/flash]

The Jazz Elite HDV178 has one of the better Digital Zooms.


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I would love to find a cheap hybrid that gave outstanding video (even with bad audio, I could dub this) but it seems they are falling short over and over. Kind of sad.
Wouldn't we all? If these cheap camcorders were as good as the more expensive ones, no one would have any reason to buy a more prosumer device. The cheaper end of the market are fine for what the intended buyer is likely to use it for. If you want to make an indie film then you are just going to have to shell out the bucks.

These cheap camcorders have come a long way from the toys they were and yes I don't consider them toys now since the video they produce is plenty good enough for the consumer end of the market. I would say they are easily as good as the mini DVD camcorders, if not better in many instances.

Also one thing people are forgetting, the reason a lot of these devices have what seem to be only just adequate bitrates, is that at this pricepoint many people, including myself have older PC's that often can't handle the high bitrates. So they designed them to be as useful to as wide a potential audience as possible.

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I just downloaded this video you uploaded and I am speechless as to the quality of it. You say this camera you took the video with is a clone of the Jazz 188?

Wow. That video has better quality than my Canon MiniDV!!!!!

What type of SD card did you use? I use a standard Kodak SD card. Does the SD card type matter in terms of video quality? If so, let us know.

Looks great!


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What type of SD card did you use? I use a standard Kodak SD card. Does the SD card type matter in terms of video quality? If so, let us know.
SD card speed has no bearing whatsover on the video quality. Digital is digital and even these HD cameras are well within the specs of the slowest SD cards so buying a fast card is a waste of money *except* for transferring to your PC via a card reader, but even then, with the amount of video I shoot, the speed advantage still isn't necessary for me.
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