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Old May 17, 2008, 5:14 PM   #1
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Hi guys, great forum!

I want to buy one of those Aiptek pocket camcorders (the HD type) but there seem to be way too many models and I am having a hard time making the difference between them. Gosh, even the model names sound so close and like one and the same model.

I live in Europe and the models being shown on http://www.aiptek.eu look different from those on Aiptek's USA site.

Some guy on YouTube advices people to buy only the USA models because they have that feature to capture video from DVD players while the Euro models have this function removed because of some European Union regulations.

Anyways, I am going to buy an USA model but they are still a total mess in my head.

"Aiptek Go-HD", "Aiptek HD", "Aiptek HD+", "Aiptek Active HD", "Aiptek HD Blah Blah"...
I really am having hard time finding the difference between all those models because I am totally lame and a complete newbie.

There are several things that I will require from my future camcorder, though.

1. Optical zoom.

2. The ability to turn off or to manually adjust the so called "exposure" of the camcorder.
Boy, I *HATE* it when the video kind of "jumps" and flickers from light to dark when the corder is trying to compensate the change in luminosity...
For example: when I am making a video of my room I just need dark corners to remain dark and bright corners to remain... bright! I don't need a flickering video that tries to brighten up dark corners or to darken down bight corners.
This autonmatic exposure compensation thing is just Annoying.
It is the most ridiculous feature In a camcorder and I need an Aiptek model that has it removed or one that can at least disable it or keep it as inactive as possible.

3. I hate Auto-Focus too. Need an Aiptek model with optical zoom but without Auto-Focus.
Think it is pretty darn ridiculous to have your footage out of focus 50% of the time because the corder is trying to find the right object... I have watched quite a few test videos and this auto-focus feature really sucks.
Can it be turned off? If yes, what Aiptek model can switch between auto focus and fixed focus?


Wow, what a long post.
In brief: is there an Aiptek pocket HD model that has an optical zoom, does not have automatic exposure and does not have auto-focus?

Thanks!

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Sorry for my bad English.
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Old May 17, 2008, 5:43 PM   #2
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Welcome to the forums!

I don't know the answers to your questions about the AIPTEK models. But, we have a forum setup just for this type of camera, and some of our members there may be more familiar with them.

So, I've moved this thread down to our Hybrid Still/Movie/MP3 Digicams Forum for you so that you'd be more likely to get some answers to your questions.


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Old May 17, 2008, 7:13 PM   #3
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Unfortunately you won't find much in the way of manual controls in the Aiptek range. You'll need to at least consider the more expensive Sanyo models for this.

The difference between those models you listed, apart from fixed or autofocus, is that the GO-HD and A-HD shoot a maximum of 1280x720 while the Action HD and A-HD+ shoot 1440x1080 otherwise known as 720p and 1080p. 1080p will put a higher load in decoding and editing on your PC. Therefore if your PC is marginal in processing power you may find 720p plenty especially since the difference between 1080p and 720p is supposedly marginal unless your TV is very large.

I am sure others will chime in with better information.

"In brief: is there an Aiptek pocket HD model that has an optical zoom, does not have automatic exposure and does not have auto-focus?"

In short no and it's going to be difficult to get any camera with fixed focus and optical zoom! You tend to get both autofocus and zoom together.

Unfortunately at this end of the market you are going to have to make compromises unless you are prepared to spend big bucks
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Old May 17, 2008, 10:05 PM   #4
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X2 optical zoom option will be a telephoto lens.
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Old May 18, 2008, 3:04 AM   #5
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Thanks, guys.

Hmm... just what I expected. Those "automatic" settings are doing more harm than good.

OK, is there any way to at least keep the auto-exposure as inactive as possible?

I read somewhere that you can take a dark shot and a bright shot and make the aut-exposure thing use them as key points to avoid the over/under exposure.
But this was an article about digital photocameras, not about camcorders.

Or maybe there is a way to manually make the auto-exposure less sensitive or something?
The flicker it produces is just ridiculously Annoying. And I have seen this flicker not only on Aiptek test videos but on videos, taken with other low-end camcorders such as Sanyo as well.
Wonder who needs a video that changes its luminosity all the time.
Irritating!

For example: if you are shooting a green screen video to impress your buds, it will be a heck of a task to key the green in your software because while the object keeps moving, the camera will keep changing the "exposure" and this way will keep changing the brightnes, hue and saturation of the whole scene, green screen included ---> no way to key it properly.


PS:
I found this guy. He is selling a model with 2X digital zoom but his general description on top of the page claims that it has 4X optical zoom.
I don't think that Aiptek even have a pocket model with 4X optical zoom.
A scam?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

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LMAO:

When the A-Hd started its debut, the website clearly marked this as having L.E.D. lights and other interesting facts, they are no longer shown onthe website.

Also the camera is exactly that 2x digital zoom and you're right. If you see an Aiptek A-HD that is 4x Digital zoom

A. it is a newer version with 1.6 firmware-2.0 firmware

B. upgraded by a guest if used. adding features and functions

Now once again what you're after are manual controls of this camera white balance manual would be ideal for Key Screening you'll place that white paper on manual save it and film.

There are no hybrids that I know of that have what you're after from Aiptek.

The Sanyo has the WB control and will be a better option Still in hte PC Camcorder family, not Home Theater family.

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Thanks, guys.

Hmm... just what I expected. Those "automatic" settings are doing more harm than good.

OK, is there any way to at least keep the auto-exposure as inactive as possible?

I read somewhere that you can take a dark shot and a bright shot and make the aut-exposure thing use them as key points to avoid the over/under exposure.
But this was an article about digital photocameras, not about camcorders.

Or maybe there is a way to manually make the auto-exposure less sensitive or something?
The flicker it produces is just ridiculously Annoying. And I have seen this flicker not only on Aiptek test videos but on videos, taken with other low-end camcorders such as Sanyo as well.
Wonder who needs a video that changes its luminosity all the time.
Irritating!

For example: if you are shooting a green screen video to impress your buds, it will be a heck of a task to key the green in your software because while the object keeps moving, the camera will keep changing the "exposure" and this way will keep changing the brightnes, hue and saturation of the whole scene, green screen included ---> no way to key it properly.


PS:
I found this guy. He is selling a model with 2X digital zoom but his general description on top of the page claims that it has 4X optical zoom.
I don't think that Aiptek even have a pocket model with 4X optical zoom.
A scam?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123
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@fishycomics, hey man, I guess you are the same fishycomics from YouTube?
I've watched most of your reviews - great, great work, thanks!

The guy from the eBay auction actually claims that his webcam has 4X OPTICAL zoom, which is even more weird since there is no a pocket Aiptek with 4X optical.

As for white balance: the white sheet trick is cool, but it is the Auto-Exposure feature that is causing the troubles here - it keeps changing the luminosity of the fotage and thus changes the color of the green screen (making it constantly go from dark to bright green) which in turn makes keying a nightmare.
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I think you are expecting things that can't yet be produced at that price point. One solution is to buy a more expensive camera. Keep in mind that many of us here own some more expensive non-hybrid cameras. If I want to do something that the Aiptek can't handle I'll use my Sony HC1. The other solution is to just go ahead and get a hybrid and find what they do and are useful for.

For instance, I'm not going to go on my morning walk and visit to the farmer's market with my HC1 but I will take my Aiptek with me in my pocket. Who knows what might pop up I want to shoot. It is easier to my Aiptek to a family gathering. For those, if anything, I need not the zoom but a wide angle adapter. You're shooting things in tight quarters with those. If I were traveling I would take the Aitpek but probably the HC1 or maybe a Canon HF10 also because I know I'm going to want to take shots that require the zoom or other features of the more expensive camera.
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Ebay does not have ALL models so the persomn had tro place in 4x to the optical, he should have stated at the beginning it is a digital zoom.

could not agree more. sanyo did not come out felt no need for the better model where I am at. unless I want to have the othertwo that take the same battery and for that I carry both felt comfty filming my skating with either the jazz or AIptek got 4 hours skate time and never ran out of battery on/off film.



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I think you are expecting things that can't yet be produced at that price point. One solution is to buy a more expensive camera. Keep in mind that many of us here own some more expensive non-hybrid cameras. If I want to do something that the Aiptek can't handle I'll use my Sony HC1. The other solution is to just go ahead and get a hybrid and find what they do and are useful for.

For instance, I'm not going to go on my morning walk and visit to the farmer's market with my HC1 but I will take my Aiptek with me in my pocket. Who knows what might pop up I want to shoot. It is easier to my Aiptek to a family gathering. For those, if anything, I need not the zoom but a wide angle adapter. You're shooting things in tight quarters with those. If I were traveling I would take the Aitpek but probably the HC1 or maybe a Canon HF10 also because I know I'm going to want to take shots that require the zoom or other features of the more expensive camera.
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Exactly. I have two Canon HV20s and a (brand new) HF100 which produce superb video with minimum effort. But they are big...(although the HF100 is getting almost pocket-size).

What I needed was a tiny hybrid. I tried the Sanyo HD700, but its quality was terrible (OK, nearly terrible). My HD1000 is almost as big as my HF100, and nowhere near the quality and reliability. So I was delighted when I found the fully-automatic Kodak v1073. Excellent for a quick 'family' HD video I am still looking for an Aiptek, or something similar to use when I might want a little more manual control of exposure, etc, but don't want to bother carting around the HF100.

Each of these cameras is specialist. Choosing which to use for each occasion is the art of the cinematographer:-)

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