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Old Jul 10, 2008, 10:08 AM   #21
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Thanks Trevmar. I'm glad to hear the HF100 is the camcorder other reviews made it out to be. (The V1073 also looks interesting - is it true, though, that it can only record for 29 minutes?)

And thanks to all of you for the sort of dicussion that makes this forum so worthwhile. This is a great community.

I've just purchased an A-HD for $60 on ebay. (Either I was incredibly lucky, or other bidders were right to be skeptical of the seller....)

Somebody should do the full CCInfo performance test with these hybrids - color fidelity at 60, 30 & 15 lux, etc. A site like that would be hugely popular, and could clean up in advertising (not to mention free samples.)
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 10:36 AM   #22
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we have a video dvd that will do the sample color test, it is located in the A-HD I think around 10 or higher.

Congrads on your bidd 50 smacks is well worth the fun when you recieve let us know we'll tell ya if it got god/bad things

1.2 FW is alright 1.6 is the best, if updated to 2.2 then oh well he was upset due to artifacts.
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Thanks Fishy. To be clear, do you mean the A-HD records accurately to 10 lux?

Thanks also for the advice on firmware. Shame they got 2.2 wrong.
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Old Jul 10, 2008, 12:02 PM   #24
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not a pro, if in a low light at DAY TIME the A-HD+ is not great, the A-HD is If at night they both may be the same? 15 or 100 not sure of the actual Numbers

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Thanks also for the advice on firmware. Shame they got 2.2 wrong.
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Ah; I have a GE 730 wich has an iso of 1600 native! It blows away my Aiptek Go-HD and Jazz in low light but has the same problem as the Jazz camcorders for audio. My perfect solution was to buy an Olympus Digital Stereo Voice Recorder. Model WS-311.

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"For 99 bucks it makes perfect stereo recordins of the events, such as my band. I use Ulead's Video Studio 10, separate the original audio track, and then match up the Olympus's WMA audio to the original GE Aiptek or Jazz Camcorders track. Then I remove the camcorder's track.

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000" You can check out how well it works by looking at the On Sunday Morning music video I made that I put on http://myspace.com/mobilecinema

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"I made that video using an Aiptek MPVR and the GE 730. The audio was ok from the Aiptek but horrible from the GE. I have to thank my son for leaving the voice recorder on during the video shoot!

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way 2 go. that iswhat some are saying a lil moreeditinggets great results

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Ah; I have a GE 730 wich has an iso of 1600 native! It blows away my Aiptek Go-HD and Jazz in low light but has the same problem as the Jazz camcorders for audio. My perfect solution was to buy an Olympus Digital Stereo Voice Recorder. Model WS-311.

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"For 99 bucks it makes perfect stereo recordins of the events, such as my band. I use Ulead's Video Studio 10, separate the original audio track, and then match up the Olympus's WMA audio to the original GE Aiptek or Jazz Camcorders track. Then I remove the camcorder's track.

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000" You can check out how well it works by looking at the On Sunday Morning music video I made that I put on http://myspace.com/mobilecinema

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"I made that video using an Aiptek MPVR and the GE 730. The audio was ok from the Aiptek but horrible from the GE. I have to thank my son for leaving the voice recorder on during the video shoot!

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Thanks Doug! The sensors on compact digital cameras are usually pretty large, so I suspected there might be a few hidden treasures. Standard definition is fine by me if low light works.

The A730 has gotten mixed reviews here at Steve's, as well as other places I've checked. But it's remarkably affordable.

I suppose this would be best in the "what should I buy" topic, but has anyone ever done a shootout of video from MP4 cameras to see which does best in low light? Is there a handy place where I could check the relative sensor size & pixel density of compact cameras?

Thanks again,

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Only way is to search yourself, everybody can tell you which is good with this and that, but you should also look yourself and judge yourself. Start looking from youtube and vimeo with words like "HF100 live" "HD1000 live" "Aiptek AHD live" and similar searches with camcorder in your search string, you will find dozens of uploaded videos. I have Aiptek AHD 200 myself and it really can't record any concerts with its native mic.

Light is as low as you can get in these concerts:

Aiptek AHD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxaZlmBHtC0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATcYz0V2N7I

Canon HF100

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaJBych0Sv4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LfLh9BU7wU

Sanyo HD1000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33AwcXlCTt8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuUiddBHFNw

Sony HDR-TG3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lo-VKWLAMM

Sony HDR-HC7 (sound Zoom H2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVG_tMc5T_M


Audio is very different with each of these cameras, Canon HF100 has soft tone and Sanyo has higher tone. Aiptek audio is a bit noisy tone with popping and cracking in sound.


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Thanks Doug! The sensors on compact digital cameras are usually pretty large, so I suspected there might be a few hidden treasures. Standard definition is fine by me if low light works.

The A730 has gotten mixed reviews here at Steve's, as well as other places I've checked. But it's remarkably affordable.

I suppose this would be best in the "what should I buy" topic, but has anyone ever done a shootout of video from MP4 cameras to see which does best in low light? Is there a handy place where I could check the relative sensor size & pixel density of compact cameras?

Thanks again,

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Actually the sensors on compact cameras are usually pretty small ie in the order of 1/2.5". The Kodak's seem to have a sensor size nearer the small camcorders which would account for their decent low light ability.
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Hi Quenaelin and rgvcam. Thanks for your help.

While it's tiny compared to a DSLR, as I understand it, 1/2.5" is pretty big compared to many camcorders. 1/6" is standard for the lowest consumer grade, and the prosumer models often have 3 x 1/3" ccds. But I don't imagine most compact cameras use the entire sensor in video mode.

I've received the Aiptek HD, and I'm quite impressed with it. The low light ability isn't bad at all - it compares very favorably to consumer camcorders I own or have played with. It's a neat little unit. I see why you folks have been having such fun with it.

I'd still like to see a low light video shootout between ultracompact cameras, Xactis, flips, etc. Bet a site like that would get a lot of hits, and testers would get a lot of free gear...

Thanks again,

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