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Old Jul 22, 2008, 5:44 PM   #1
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As the owner of sundry small hybrids and two Canon HF100s I was perplexed to see that Canon just announced a new HF11 model, upgrade of the HF10. Only a few changes, primarily the increase in internal memory to 32MB (Ho- hum, who uses it anyway) and in the MXP mode for 24fps shooting (probably Ho-hum too, as what I already have is good enough).

MXP mode, in the Japanese press release, is AVCHD 24 MBps full 1920x1080 24p.
That's twice the max (12Mbps) HF100 1440x1080 24p data rate, and is the maximum data rate in the AVCHD standard.

http://tinyurl.com/5689vf
http://66.102.9.104/translate_c?hl=e...0722/canon.htm

Interesting that they thought such a high data rate would be helpful. I note that battery life seems to be less, at 55 minutes with the standard BP809 battery. A new, huge, BP827 battery has appeared.

The Japanese PR also talks about "adjustable Gamma" to achieve film mode.

So I guess this means the performance bar has been raised again. Oh well, I guess if Canon can't compete in price, Canon had better compete in quality....

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Old Jul 22, 2008, 8:29 PM   #2
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The picture should be incredible at that data rate.

Canon has already optimized AVCHD pretty well at lower data rates.

This 24Mbps data rate should be about the same as a 40 or 50Mbps
MPEG-2 data rate.

So the picture quality should be crystal clear perfect.

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Old Jul 22, 2008, 9:38 PM   #3
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I must admit that I recently shot quite a lot of footage with both HF100s in 24p at 12 Mbps (1440x1080). Using CoreAVC as the decoder, with AVIsynth for pull-down, I never saw a frame that I could fault. Of course, my Sony Vegas failed to render fairly often, with the dreaded "red preview" frames, but there was not a frame out of place or obviously-artifacted in the pulled-down camera output. So I agree, the 24Mbps with 1920x1080 ought to be absolutely impeccable.

At least Canon now realizes that SD memory storage is essentially free nowadays, and should not be a factor in choosing data rates any more...


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Whahoo, whahoo, whahoo!

At last 24mb/s, now for progressive p50.
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They are only for the Japanese market though. Nice camera. Now I just have to wait 5 years for it to come down into my price range. $1,300 is out of my league at the moment.
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I am a fool. I have two of these HF100s, and have taken a stack of footage, and I only just realized that the 17Mbps FXP 1920x1280 mode works with 24p as well as 60i. Sigh.. (I had been using 1440x1080 12Mbps thinking that FXP only worked in 60i. Sigh...)

Even better - when I select 1/12 sec shutter speed the 24p stream is decimated again in two down to 11.998 fps. Remarkably clever the encoder in this little beastie...

Thanks to Canon for putting out the HF11 press release and giving me the inspiration to actually read the manual again...

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