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Old Oct 20, 2008, 11:27 AM   #111
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Trevmar,

I have worked in broadcasting and currently in university-level distance learning using the most sophisticated audio/video encoding in the industry and I have more than 20 years of experience.

I'm telling you the truth.

The ADPCM audio is utilized by my Aiptek ISDV 2.4.

How can you read the "bit" and "Khz" values for your Kodak?

If you're on a Windows computer, just open the Quicktime Player.

Click FILE > OPEN FILE.

Browse to the location of the Kodak .MOV file on your hard disk.

Then -- in the Quicktime Player -- click WINDOW > SHOW MOVIE INSPECTOR.

That will cause a pop-up to appear that shows you all of the details of your Kodak file, including the "bit" and "Khz" values of the ADPCM audio.

By the way, I've done more searching in the Sanyo VPC-HD100 PDF manual and -- as I suspected -- the audio is recorded at 48 Khz. This is on page EN-41 of the PDF manual.
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 11:34 AM   #112
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Steve,

Like I said earlier, the video may be great, but the audio recorded by the Fuji just plain sucks... the Sanyo VPC-HD100 is far better in terms of audio.

On the other hand, even the 48 Khz, 16-bit audio recorded by the Sanyo won't be as good as the audio recorded by a Sony MiniDisc recorder in the field. This is due to higher quality hardware recording components utilized by the Sony MiniDisc recorder.

Yes, the Casio has a mic-in jack, but it's not a cheap camera.
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 11:47 AM   #113
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Good luck with your Sanyo HD100's everybody. I took mine back. I already have much better, and cheaper, cameras to choose from.

I'm outa here.... Pfffffft...

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Old Oct 20, 2008, 2:49 PM   #114
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comparison to kodak zi6? Any ideas on whether the video quality of the hd100 is superior to the zi6. How about under low light conditions. I'm leaning toward the hd100 because of the 5x optical zoom, but ignoring that useful feature, are these two camera on par, in terms of size, video quality, battery life? Thanks for your opinions.
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 2:57 PM   #115
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I believe the Kodak Zi6 only does up to 1280 x 720 @ 30 frames per second (720p):

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQueri...q-locale=en_US



As for the Sanyo, I'm reading the PDF manual here and the manual states on page EN-43 that the Sanyo VPC-HD100 will do up to 1440 x 1080 resolution @ 30 frames per second (1080p).

So resolution would seem to be higher with the Sanyo model.
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 3:28 PM   #116
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Closer reading of the Zi6's specs reveals that model also does 1280 x 720 @ 60 frames per second. There's a menu selection option that allows the user to toggle back and forth to the desired frame rate.
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 4:53 PM   #117
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Also c-a-m-c-o-r-d-e-rinfo.com actually thought it was decent for a change.
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 4:54 PM   #118
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Also, there's an excellent PDF by Adobe here that explains a lot about audio codecs, including ADPCM and "bit depths" and "sampling rates (Khz)."

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/pr...compprimer.pdf

A key quotation from the document:

"Originally, multimedia audio used 8-bit sampling, which means there was a measurement of volume from 0-255 for each sample."

"This bit depth, which was responsible for that harsh sound in the early CD-ROM titles, produces fairly poor quality audio."

"There is no reason to distribute 8-bit audio anymore."

"Modern 16-bit codecs provide better quality at a smaller file size than 8-bit codecs were ever able to."
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 5:28 PM   #119
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Gjetson: I think the Sanyo is a better buy for the money, the 5X optical zoom cannot be overlooked as it is a strong selling point. I also like that the LCD screen is protected when not in use, and that you can rotate it, even have it fold back completely on the camcorder with the screen still visible. The Sanyo's 1440x1080 resolution results in a sharper HD picture. Also the Sanyo has a lamp for shooting in a low light situation, and a flash for the camera. Another cam you should consider would be the DXG-595V, it adds a stereo mic the other two do not have. I ordered a DXG-595V from Wal~Mart online, Site-To-Store yesterday. From what I'm reading on this forum is may be the best budget cam, also the linked video by Brian of the Feast of the Hunter's Moon is really outstanding. I really like my Sanyo VPC-HD100, and will be keeping it because it is smaller, and fits on a belt, so you have it with you when the occasion arises to video something.
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Old Oct 20, 2008, 7:09 PM   #120
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I like numbers; numbers provide meaning and real information.

As for the DXG-595v, I'd like to see some bitrate numbers for
the 1080p and 720p modes.

Then I can compare that camcorder's video to that of the Aiptek
Action HD.

I've downloaded clips recorded by the DXG-566v.

The DXG-566v clips are low bitrate clips; 4 Mbps. That's it.
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