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Old Dec 5, 2008, 4:42 PM   #1
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known as the jazzHDV-178 Insignai is releasing the 5 meg for 69.99 Do not miss out it is a whomping 30.00 savings
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Old Dec 7, 2008, 1:01 PM   #2
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nice color, 2aa batt life must have been cut down due to two batterries. that stopped me, but this makes the HD camera today the all time LOw

the A-Hd was 70.99 now the Jazz/insignia 69.99 WOW. well for me I pass Ialready own one, and that's it folks enjoy....

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AVCHD or MPEG-4 simple profile? The latter is what the Jazz clips I looked at use while the Aiptek HD cameras use AVCHD. The simple profile is easier to play back on less powerful computers but creates bigger files. However with the price of memory cards large files are not so much an issue.

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The Jazz HDV178 uses h264 codec not regular mpeg4 but in a non standard AVI container.
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Old Dec 8, 2008, 3:50 PM   #5
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You can use avinaptic to display the file's technical information.
http://fsinapsi.altervista.org/

Here's what a Jazz 178 clip says for the video track:

[ Video track ]

FourCC: H264/H264
Resolution: 1280 x 720 (*)
Frame aspect ratio: 16:9 = 1.777777
Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1
Display aspect ratio: 16:9 = 1.777777
Framerate: 30 fps
Number of frames: 517
Stream size: 8,956,997 bytes
Bitrate: 4157.987001 kbps
Qf: 0.150390
Key frames: 52 (0; 10; 20; 30; 40; ... 510)
Null frames: 0
Min key int: 10
Max key int: 10
Avg key int: 9.942307
Delay: 0 ms

The Aiptek which uses the h264 AVC profile says:

[ Video track ]

Codec: avc1
Resolution: 1280 x 720 (*)
Frame aspect ratio: 16:9 = 1.777777
Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1
Display aspect ratio: 16:9 = 1.777777
Framerate: 30 fps
Number of frames: 4357
Bitrate: 3992.907927 kbps

Note the "avc1" indicator. The Jazz 178 uses simple profile h264 which is less processor intensive than AVC. I suspect this model is using simple profile too.


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Old Dec 9, 2008, 11:36 AM   #6
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I really like my HDV178. The only problem I have noticed is that it seems to drop a frame or 2 at times and this is quite as noticeable in good light though you can see it if you pan. This spoils an otherwise great little camera which is why I am still on the lookout for a replacement :G

I am currently seriously considering the Canon HF100 in the new year. Just seeing if it finally drops below the magic $500 mark. Of course the moment I think of treating myself to something, my 6 month car insurance bill arrived LOL Ah well good job I at least keep a savings account :lol: Just got to justify it to myself.
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Being satisfied for the moment with the Aiptek A-HD+ as a pocket camera I too am looking at a better camera to replace my Sony HC1. Probably the newer Canon that has been released in Japan but maybe not here yet. Then again I also would like to have a prosumer camera at some point as so many things I want to do requiret that. There I may wait to see what happens with Red's low end camera.

I recommend some of the simple profile h264 cameras to folks without newer computers. Those clips will be easier for them to play back. I have also considered some of the better still camera hybrids for their better quality lenses and optical zoom capabilities. These are still sub $300.

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Also Canon are now finally implementing h264 in their newer cameras! The 990IS for instance. Video quality is as good as before but with the added advantage of being able to fit more on a card. Also, as far as I can tell, they don't have the duration limitation of Casio, Kodak and Sony. Perhaps because they cost more and are paying the tax. Hopefully they'll keep it that way but it won't surprise me at all if they eventually limit it.
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