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Old Feb 20, 2009, 1:42 PM   #1
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I just got my Z700 from Gixon who makes the Aiptek Action HD GVS or the Euro. Model Aiptek Z700 GVS. Gixon claims to be the manufactory for Aiptek, the also claim to have built these cameras according to Aiptek's spec. not their own. All three camcorders are exactly the same. The all come with the same software and acc. Sense I have both in my hand (Z700 and HD D10)I will list the BAD POINTS of each. This Post will change over time as I use the two cameras more.


Aiptek Z700
Build: Kind of cheap


Tripod mount: Bad, LCD door catches on the base of the tripod. The exact same problem with the Action HD (non GVS), you must open the door before mounting it to a tripod or use a nylon flat washer between the camera and the tripod.

Joy Stick: Cheap, weak feeling

LCD door spring: Way to strong, the door will slam closed if not careful.

Low Light: Bad

Bitrate in 1080P Mode: To low (even if 9 is the average, still to low)

Microphone: Sound like 1980's tape hiss, if you know what I mean.



HD D10
AutoFocus: No lock

Storage: Maximum 8GB

Video Modes: No 720P (30fps)

Battery: Must be removed to charge it.

Software: No ArcSoft? This camera also uses the ArcSoft H.264 when recording, so why no software?

Firmware: No Factory Firmware Support


Video Quality 720p (60fps):Each camerahas its high and lows when it come to video quality, but the Z700 is better over all. The HD D10 at times produces some bad colors that look like old "beta" video from the late 70's. Browns and Reds get muted. I'm sure that this can be fixed through firmware. Panning. The Z700 is better in 720p mode at 60fpsI can follow my running dogs with no problems at all. Even though the HD D10 has better bitrats, which in theroy should produce better video, I still like more of my videos taken with the Z700 than the HD D10. When it come to sound quality they tie dead even. The HD D10 is great indoors and the Z700 is great outside. When shoting some video down in my woods, the Z700 pick up the song birds perfect. The HD D10 you came barely hear the birds, but inside the Z700 has a back ground hiss. Where the HD D10 records a nice clean sound.


Here is a sample of the two in a low light condition. No firmware changes. Sense the firmware had not been changed in the HD D10, I did not feel it was fair the change or even check the firmware in the Aiptek, Out the box test. In video you will see the difference between the two. Notice the back ground hiss on the Aiptek, also look at the angel difference of the lenes. I used the same tripod, in the exact same spot for each shot. EV setting 0, No NightShot. Video was rendered back to 30fps in its original ArcSoft H.264 (This isan out of the box test) all settings besides the video mode (1080p or 720p) were set to DEFAULT. 1080p (30fps) 720P (60fps)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCfvmu7aP8I&ap=%2526fmt%3D22

Bitrates: 1080p HD D10 13.01! from the sample video, Aiptek Z7005.98 from the sample video.

Bitrates: 720p HD D10 6.08 from the sample video, Aiptek Z7005.96 from the sample. Not much difference in 720p mode


One or two videos with a variable bitrate design camera is not a good test, but because there was such a huge difference, I thought I would share. I went back and looked through some scrap video shot with the HD D10 in 1080p mode. The lowest bitrate I could find from 11 videos was 11.8.

Firmware: Aiptek Z700 (firmware for the HD D10 is on th HD D10 thread)

http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=602128&forum_id=92

ver .2201*

lib.5dk 2-1208

date: dec23 2008

update: sd-v5z5bin

sensor: micron5mho

* Avalible Vers. (1904, 2003,2100, 2201, 2302, 2402)



In my "opinion" the Aiptek is a step backwards from the original Action HD in some ways, cheaper build and needs even more light now, but is still worth the extra $50 it cost overlast years model.You now get EIS,AutoFocus Lock, 5X zoom. (I owned an Action HD non GVS before.) The EIS on the HD D10 is weak, the Z700 has a lot nicer EIS, not bad at all for a $200 HD camcorderI have listed below whereI feel each camera "Wins" or is better than the other.

Aiptek Z700: (Has better......)

Autofocus

EIS

Over all Features (720p/30fps,Acrsoft software)

Frimware Options

Panning

Over All Video Quality

Mocrophone/Sound (Outside)




HD D10: (Has better......)

Low Light Filming

Mocrophone/Sound (Indoors)

Still Photos

Over all construction

1080p & 720p Bitrates

Battery Life (Replace Batteries 2000 mHa)


Which camera better?My opinon is that and ONLY THAT. I'm just trying to pass on some info that I have or have found. But In my " opinion" Aiptek has a slight edge on the HD D10 with it's AutoFocus Lock, it's nice fast steady zoom and a decent balance of color and sharpness. Don't get me wrong the HD D10 is still a nice camera and very well built for the money. All I can say is when I go to grab a camera, I use the Z700 more than the HD D10.If you are an"Enthusiast or Modder" and like all the firmware options, plus the Aiptek Utility1.2, than you might want to take a look at the Z700(V5Z5S). If you want "out of the box" performance with little adjustment, than you might want to look at the HD D10. Either way both cameras are decent for the asking price of $200 each, but with Sanyo's HD 700 dropping in price, this could changes thing for some people.. They both work well and do what they claim.I wouldbuy BOTH camcorders again and would recommend BOTH camcorders to a friend or family member.



Aiptek Links: For the Gigxon or Aiptek Z700 (V5Z5S)

Firmware patch release pkg (Vers.Fw 2003,2100 2201, 2302 ) Aiptek Action HD GVS: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VGXQEBRU
Firmware patch release pkg Original Thread: http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=602434&forum_id=92
Firmware upgrade SOP Z700 (V5Z5S) Ver. 2402:http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUP4JLU4
Firmwareupgrade SOP Z700 (V5Z5S) Original Thread: http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=601604&forum_id=92&page= 2


Aiptek Utility Program 1.2
Piterplus (Aiptek Utility Program 1.2)http://rapidshare.com/files/202729645/AiptekUtility-1.2.zip

Original Thread (Aiptek Utility Program 1.2) http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=602458&forum_id=92


Reveiws:


fishycomics (Aiptek Action HD GVS 1080P camcorder ( Model V5Z5S) review) http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=599934&forum_id=92

Talk:

gamer_it (Aiptek AHD Z700 is in Europe!) http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=601604&forum_id=92

Link to buy from:

Gixon: http://www.gigxon.com/hd-1080p1440-x-1080-z700-p-160.html *

*Notice at the bottom left side under the picture of the Aiptek Z700 it states "
Model: Z700, Shipping Weight: 950g , 99 Units in Stock, Manufactured by: Gigxon"

Chinavasion: http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/hddv-pocket-camcorder-digital-video-camera-1080p/**

**WARNINGChinavasion does not post all product reveiws on their website.





HD D10 Links:

Reveiws:

Hd D10 Overveiw: http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=602128&forum_id=92

thefish (Review: DXG-595V 1080p):http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=594908&forum_id=92

Link to buy from:

Chinavasion: http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/1080p-hd-video-camera-highres-video-camcorder-up-to-60fps/**

**WARNING Chinavasion does not post all product reveiws on their website. Mine stated, "good decent camcorder, needsbetter EIS, AutoFocus Lock and software, I gave it4 stars out of 5 it was rejected!



Extra Movies:

This movie was shot using a Aiptek Action HD (Non GVS model). . it's just an example of what can been done for around $300. that includes camera $190, SD card $10, software $59 and tripod $25.
Original footage was lost due to a system crash. Recovered with software and the repaired with more software. Re-edited with Magix Edit Pro 14 Plus and then converted back to its original MOV. ArcSoft H.264 format. Show how tough the MOV. format can be . All MEPG-4 files recovered at the same time were "useless, no good"
http://www.vimeo.com/3356972Added (2/18/2009)


















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Old Feb 20, 2009, 2:18 PM   #2
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Please do tell us the firmware,.

Field of depth, and various res settings,.

HD1080P field can be set at two depths

HD720P the same

WVGA the same

the lighting will also vary, with different res settings.

the senser is bigger or different on the GVS(700), compared to the other Action HD models. his held true when the MPVR, and PVR was out, why the PVR was quickly a dud. or returned

Sound well think they used professional parts cost dough Lol

yes agree that the Mouse will break, love the AHD model easy fix for it and may show one day

I think I stop there Lol repeted info for me



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I just got my Z700 from Gixon who makes the Aiptek Action HD GVS or the Euro. Model Aiptek Z700 GVS. Gixon claims to be the manufactory for Aiptek, the also claim to have built these cameras according to Aiptek's spec. not their own. All three camcorders are exactly the same. The all come with the same software and acc. Sense I have both in my hand I will list the BAD POINTS of each.


Aiptek Z700
Build: Kind of cheap

Tripod mount: Bad, LCD door catches on the base of the tripod. The exact same problem with the Action HD (non GVS), you must open the door before mounting it to a tripod or use a nylon flat washer between the camera and the tripod.

Joy Stick: Cheap, weak feeling

LCD door spring: Way to strong, the door will slam closed if not careful.

Low Light: Bad

Bitrate in 1080P Mode: To low (even if 9 is the average, still to low)

Microphone: Sound like 1980's tape hiss, if you know what I mean.



HD D10
AutoFocus: No lock

Storage: Maximum 8GB

Video Modes: No 720P (30fps)

Battery: Must be removed to charge it.

Software: No ArcSoft? This camera also uses the ArcSoft H.264 when recording, so why no software?



Video Quality: That's one person's opinion, so you pick. There are plenty of videos out there to view.



Here is a sample of the two in a low light condition. No firmware changes. Sense the firmware had not been changed in the HD D10, I did not feel it was fair the change or even check the firmware in the Aiptek, Out the box test. In video you will see the difference between the two. Notice the back ground hiss on the Aiptek, also look at the angel difference of the lenes. I used the same tripod, in the exact same spot for each shot. EV setting 0, No NightShot. Video was rendered back to 30fps in its original ArcSoft H.264



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCfvm...=%2526fmt%3D22



In my "opinion" the Aiptek is a step backwards from the original Action HD in some ways, cheaper build and needs even more light now. (I owned an Action HD non GVS before.)



Bitrates: 1080p HD D10 13.01! from the sample video, Aiptek 5.98 from the sample video.

Bitrates: 720p HD D10 6.08 from the sample video, Aiptek 5.96 from the sample. Not much difference in 720p mode



One or two videos with a variable bitrate design camera is not a good test, but because there was such a huge difference, I thought I would share. I went back and looked through some scrap video shot with the HD D10 in 1080p mode. The lowest bitrate I could find from 11 videos was 11.8.



Which camera better? You decide!My opinon is that and ONLY THAT. I'm just trying to pass on some info that I have or have found, thank you.

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On the Field of depth issue are talking about the same thing in these videos of yours?

http://vimeo.com/3114352

http://vimeo.com/3119452

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Yes, Since we know not of your firmware, if your Fw is the update,nor will you see this at first, but will recognise it later on, and only will show on the GVS/700 model, not the Action HD, due to the reversing of the macro/infinity adjustment. Why Aiptek, or the main company never places in the exact details of what the cam is realy suppose to do, leaving all the info out, making us find these lil extras , on our own, lol

the field of depth changes giving you extra wide angle. it can deffently be seen from the vid frame rate (cont shot) or picture .

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I'm sorry i don't have time to search for "How to check the firmware" i lost my original instruction that i wrote and I have to leave soon. If can post that real quick i'll get the info posted before i leave for the night. settings 1080p (30fps) 720p (60fps) all other settings were Default (out of the box test)
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no prob, not that important to me butto others of a 15 sec task
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ver .2201

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date: dec23 2008

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fw 2201 you should be able to tweak the macro/infinity like mentioned.

you may want to keep in mind that this Firmware is softened up a lil.

one external sounds of the cam like, speaker not mic will be lowered, the Full zoom will no longer wobble. and ofcourse the start up time varies.

firmware 2003 is the ideal one to use. thank you for taking the time, to check it out.
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Is 2003 on the net or do I have to contact a company to get?.Gixon has an automatic update system via e-mail, thats why Ichoose them over Aiptek. Plus I have around bugged them about other info.

thanks again for letting me know about the correct ver. of firmware to use!
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Suppliers will voice warranty iffirmware is reflashed, chinavaision is one of them, they do not offer firmware. so is it possable Gixon be the same.

no it is not a net the net does not make FW:G, but the company sorry.

you email you request, if given you're set. it is best to alwaysask for orginal and update.

wish I can get the Oldest one lol 1904

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Is 2003 on the net or do I have to contact a company to get?.Gixon has an automatic update system via e-mail, thats why Ichoose them over Aiptek. Plus I have around bugged them about other info.

thanks again for letting me know about the correct ver. of firmware to use!
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