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Old Oct 27, 2009, 7:13 PM   #11
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does the touch pad comfortable to use or cause problems?
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Old Oct 27, 2009, 7:47 PM   #12
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The touchpad, is sensitive to heat of the hand. The devicedoesnot have a sensitivity control, to lesser the degree of touch, when any device is cold, it needs a lil warmth. to use the mouse , forzoom up/down,you must press DOWN for ZOOM IN, and UP forZOOM OUT, total opposite of other cams, Kodak up is in, down is out. You will have to hold it to your desired zoom, OFF,and press the opposite button, no slideing at all. It may be a poor design, for some. to navigate, it may become a mor troublesome later on, the Icons are SMALL, while certain buttons of the mouse are hot keys ofcontrols or features,so accedently touching or rubbing will activate keys. As time will tell, that is what I feel while observing the touch pad.

It is comfortable to use makes the hybrid feel upscale, a feature i am not used to.

a drop will not break the mouse, but a leather glove will not activate other functions. the record/playback/stills are a pressed button, thank god for that..

comparthe back of the Samsung to the kodak, and DOD.
Samsung sure looks awesome, while kodak hsa buldge, the dod the simplist of les buttons.

If Samsung had the lense flush you swear it was a cellphone. kodak, has that look.

if hand was corectly covered.no one would notice.

thank you for the question Bollity

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with rain or wet, and cold the touchpad becomes very difficult to operate. to palce a film like protective over the touchpad may be out of the question.

The touchpad at evening hours does not light up, and becomes harder to see, the record/play/ still are as smooth as the touchpad, but very little indentation.

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ok another question please.
this camera have built-in battery that is unreplaceable by the user.
what if the camera life come to end ? or for some reason the battery is damaged? what should i do then?
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Old Oct 28, 2009, 4:10 AM   #14
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This is a excellent question, and when that time comes for the life of the battery, that can last as long as the hybrids device, defective, short/log term, etc, etc.
One, the device should registered, and that online card filled out with the serial number, repair to the hybrid are normally one year, and labour and parts are not covered. a set price may be in order for the HMX U10, costing a good 50.00 with all expenses.
By looking over the device, it will not be a easy task for a beginner to replace a battery to it.
the battery may be located on one of hte sides (guessing) the lower battery door beside the sd/mmc card slot, but more likely its dead center, or lowe portion of cam, where the touch pad is loacted.
This is a downside of a internal battery, and if Samsung had just left a way for all to unscrew, a tab, a replacement battery, either way we would not need that extra expense for repair.

Wil need further observation, this is what i see at the moment of what if the baterry needs replacement....

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what kind of wide angle lens could i get for it. the 1080p is good but the other settings dont get enough in the picture. so i was wondering if i could fix another lens on top to get more in the video.
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what kind of wide angle lens could i get for it. the 1080p is good but the other settings dont get enough in the picture. so i was wondering if i could fix another lens on top to get more in the video.
I have an existing wide angle lens, it is a 25mm Pheonix large, I also have a Uv filter25mm adapter, and 27mm filter.

The pheonix fits right over the whole glass like ring.

I have to like you, and others adapt what I own, and expeirement what will fit?

How to fit the Pheonix with the glued ring should work, it is magnitized, the samsung may not be, the ring.

The Clip on, does not attach, and a rubber insert will be needed to protect cosmetics, and that concept will do fine with the rubberband.

I have not yet started to film with other resolutions to observe the field of depth.

I hope this helped out.

As we need further room with HD hybrids of distance for blogging, maybe one day The companies will Listen.

Samsung if you're Monitoring, true camcorders like some models have made a built in wide angle, it'stime you step up to the plate., and serves us, thank you.
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thanks for the reply. i shall have a look and see what i can do.

i agree that the hd pocket camcorders need to have wide angle so when we are blogging we dont have to sit so far away from the camcorder.

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As we're looking and may be hard to see, on the still, of 7.5 m of the setting, INTERPOLATION, video HD1080P.

the stills on avideo editor renderedshown the lines, not the best way to display, but on the video a dual layer is shown, and present on all clips in the daytime scenerio, it may be because the powerful Sun and glare. I am on Super fine and more observations are needed.

WIth the Kodak ZI8 we complained about Vertical line effect, well, it haunts the Samsung Hmx U10 in various ways , aswell all other hybrids..

Imagine putting all cams comp's togeether in one room, Do you think, just one will come up with a solution, and have a perfect model, No.





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i have seen some clips from this camera. it have a red tone. the red color is saturated more than other colors which look washed out.
kodak zi8 colors and low light performance is better than samsung u10.
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I have used both the U10 and the JVC FM1 in store, and have some surprising
conclusions, but not so surprising now that I have seen your pages but here are a few more things to consider.

The Samsung was surprisingly disappointing, and the smaller than expected
JVC seem to outclass the U10 in many ways, opposite to what was expected.

Color balance on devices' screens, the portrayal on the LCD was way worse
in color correctness on the Samsung, and pretty descent on the JVC.

The exposure and latitude, the Samsung u10 seemed to be wondering all over
the place with changes in brightness, the JVC was pretty steady in
exposure. I tried the standard test of seeing how the bright display
lights (neon letters etc) exposed compared to the standard lighting
elsewhere. The letters where not too bright and the store lighting was
not too dull. The Samsung refused to expose lit letters properly compared
to the store, with the letters over exposed or the store dark. Shifting
the camera a little so that more or less of the lighting was in the scene,
produced large swings in the exposure. The JVC powered on and showed the
store nicely lit, and the the letters properly exposed at the same time.

I tried the scene functions in the Samsung to get better latitude, but no
luck, with the backlit selection letting the letters burn out while
exposing the rest better, with less drift. A tip, people have used
presets to get around difficult exposure situations on other cameras
(also, when having compression problems on action shots, a scene preset
that preferences high shutter speeds can give better results). In this
day and age, why is it letting such a, relatively, small difference in
lighting latitude burns out (it could be that it is preferencing a type of
shutter adn gain balance that is causing the shifting and limiting
latitude which can be rectified).

The Samsung looked like a TOY, bigger, wider and uglier than expected, the
JVC looked smaller and cutter than the u10, or expected. The funny sort
of thatched pattern on the back of the JVC did not look as bad as expected
and was reasonable even though it is not my preference.

Angle of view, well, the JVC seemed a little narrow at 1080p, and nicely
wide at 720p. IO forget what the Samsung was, but I think it was less.

The control on the JVC seemed funny. I tired to switch modes by pressing
the control pad to the side, and it seemed to work or not work, stiff,
difficult to tell if there where two 720p modes (no frame rate quoted, but
seemed to darken) and not responsive. I did not test, but I wonder if the
stiffness was enough to make the camera shift if trying to use the up and
down zoom while shooting.

I looked at some earlier example footage of the Samsung u10, but have not
properly checked them yet. Form the little I did see, I was not happy
with internal color balance/saturation or low light ability, the rolling
shutter looks so extreme. The outside scene I witnessed seemed to be
murky on my CRT monitor, but that could be the color configuration that my
Nvidia card is using, as the CRT TV attached to my computer is normally
brighter and clearer looking.

Altogether, the Samsung has heaps more features, and we are yet to confirm
that important more data rate than the JVC, but the very simple JVC
delivered the quality and performance I expected from the Samsung. It is
a shame that the Samsung could not deliver all it's features at the
quality and performance of the JVC, and that the JVC could not deliver all
the features of the Samsung, then we would have two really great cameras,
particularly for that price. But, if the data rate isn't too bad I would
prefer the JVC any day over the Samsung, for delivering the quality and
performance with in a stylish small package.

This is not a comprehensive comparison or overview of these cameras
functions and performance and should not be taken as such, as a change in
lighting levels or being outside could change the winner and the
performance of these cameras. A firmware update could also change things,
not too mention maybe one of the cameras was exceptional, or a dud,
compared to what they normally are.

Has anybody got confirmation as to what the sensor in the Samsung is, or
the written to Kodak to confirm the zi8 sensor (the next camera to
compared to the JVC, apart from that RCA 1080p wonder cam)?

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