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Old Oct 31, 2009, 2:33 PM   #1
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ok, so im trying to find myaself a pocketcam that i could bring with me all the time, and i must say im a bit lost with all the choice.
all have some good and some bad.


my dream:
- pocket size
- manual controls
- wide angle
- decent low light
- 720/60fps
- external mic input
- able to add custom lens
- good battery
- decent stabilization ?
- 200$/200 max

must add that im new to camcorder, but analogue photography amateur, thats the reason i dont want an all automatic cam, i prefer to experiment.

till now i didnt find my dream cam, but some are close like sanyo cg10 (but lack of 60fps and external mic) or kodak Zi8 (but lack of manual controls, flippable lcd).

i cant decide myself, but im starting to think that maybe i have to wait a bit more for future new models ?
in the other hand, i cant really wait to experiment lol
help me choosing one
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Old Oct 31, 2009, 3:27 PM   #2
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i think there is a sony that match your dream but i think it is 800$ price

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-HDR-TG5V-...020694&sr=1-22

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-HDR-TG1-D...020736&sr=1-34
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Old Oct 31, 2009, 3:47 PM   #3
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ha, thanx but way too pricey
i have a 200 budget max, otherwize i would maybe choose something like sanyo FH1 at around 370-400, looking at some results of this cam, it really seems like a good investment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZAr7CFsrzM) but for now i cant afford it.
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Old Oct 31, 2009, 4:22 PM   #4
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it seems the technology available today can't produce such camera with only 200$.
you may wait a year or two to see your dream becaome reality.
but i want tell you something, i have nokia n78 and it has manual controls for video. why camera manufactures can't add this to cameras while a phone manufacture add it to their camera even if it is secondary thing in the phone. if they add such thing like manual exposure no one will complain of low light condition anymore.
but also you must consider that manufatures want to make pocket cam as easy as possible , even a child can operate it easily.
if you want a more feature cam it will be bigger , more difficult to operate and much more expensive.
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Old Oct 31, 2009, 7:42 PM   #5
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yes, i kinda realize this is a dream )

from what i see, i hesitate between the ZI8 and CG10, i saw u can get decent results with both cams, now both have their good and bad.

i was leaning towards the cg10, but it only has 30fps even for 720.
then i look at the ZI8 and no manual control.

so does the 30fps compared to the 60fps make a big difference ?
would i be able to experiment with slow motion with a 30p ?

or maybe there is an other option ?
not sure i would wait 1 or 2 years
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Old Oct 31, 2009, 8:27 PM   #6
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if you want to record thins moving fast like a car race or football match 60fps is much better and smooth to watch and suitable for nice slow motion.
but you need a fast pc to play it smoothly with no cuts and stops.
if you want just record inside home or on beach, garden,...etc i think 30fps is enough.
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Old Nov 1, 2009, 10:33 PM   #7
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after days of investigations, i guess i will go for the sanyo cg-10 for now
so i can experiment more with it than most other pocket size cams out there.
and i wont ruin myself at the same time.

btw thanx for your advices bollity.
i have a fast pc so edition will be ok i think.
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Old Nov 3, 2009, 4:01 PM   #8
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just got it.
first tests right out of the box are pretty good.
of course its not perfect, i see some kind of 'wobbling effect' in some situations (still got to investigate and find how to diminish that fx), its really noisy indoor in extreme low light, but outdoor in low light (normal traffic lights), i find it decent.
other than that, sound is correct (but for better footage it should be good to use an external sound recorder)
anyway i will make a whole bunch of tests to get the best of it.

btw if anyone know if we can set the manual focus infos to show all the tie and not disappearing after a few seconds, it could be handy.

im pretty happy for my first hour with this xacti
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Old Nov 9, 2009, 9:44 AM   #9
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Here is a little macro to test ISO and aperture settings: http://vimeo.com/7518388
i find the full automatic pretty good, but i think u kinda lose a bit of informations in the brightened areas.
still trying to find the best settings in different situations.
what do you think ?
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