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Old Apr 5, 2010, 12:21 AM   #1
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Default Do ANY hybridcams do 24fps?

Are there any hybridcams which can natively shoot in 24 frames per second?

I would think some higher end models (like Sony or Sanyo) would be able to, but I can't seem to find any...

I'm looking to buy a cam in the $250-$450 range... I thought I'd go with a SANYO HD2000 if all else fails (and just convert to 24fps...)
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 4:12 PM   #2
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does anyone find it important to shoot in 24fps?
or in 25fps?

i am putting a lot of these on PAL dvds... and that's 25fps...
or Vimeo... and 24fps looks better than 29.97 or 30fps, i think ~

surely, sony must have something?
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Old Apr 5, 2010, 5:34 PM   #3
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does anyone find it important to shoot in 24fps?
or in 25fps?

i am putting a lot of these on PAL dvds... and that's 25fps...
or Vimeo... and 24fps looks better than 29.97 or 30fps, i think ~

surely, sony must have something?
sony would be the last company to do 24p. oh wait, they are
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Old Apr 6, 2010, 10:35 AM   #4
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24p is PURE HYPE.

There is nothing special about 24 frames per second.

It's an accident of history.

And it's a film format.

Trying to wedge it into the world of video is such a huge waste of time.

If you want to shoot on film, then shoot on film.
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Old Apr 6, 2010, 10:59 PM   #5
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pure hype?

24fps does look different than 30fps - and it gives off the image of professional/cinema/etc...converting 30fps to 24fps often leaves artifacts, which is why i ask if any cam can shoot 24fps natively.
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Old Apr 7, 2010, 8:20 AM   #6
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i have seen a cam that does 24fps @ 720p. however, im willing to bet its because its processor cant handle 30 fps, its not for an artistic look
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Old Apr 7, 2010, 10:10 AM   #7
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Depends.

You won't find any professional television sports networks shooting 24p... for obvious reasons. (It's too slow to capture rapid movement.)

Sports -- fast action -- is best shot @ 60 (59.94) frames per second, which is why you see hybrid camcorders with 720p/60 capability. It's also why the major sports networks shoot sports mostly in 720p.

But here's the rub...

Virtually all American TV has to date been transmitted as either 1080i/29.97 fps or 720p/59.94 fps. In theory, other formats *could* be broadcast, but the reason this is not done is due to the fact stations don't transmit only material that was originally captured on 24 fps film. Film or 24p-video sourced material accounts for a considerable amount of primetime programming.

"However, the balance of primetime and other daypart programming, plus commercials, promos, sports, live events, upconversions from SD, 30 fps film-sourced commercials and a plethora of other things originate as 29.97 or 59.94 fps video. Intermixing 24 fps material with 60 Hz video material would thus require the network or station to constantly hot switch between scanning formats and this is never done." -- SOURCE:

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/71444

The question I always ask of young digital filmmakers who are so amazed by 24p is this:

How do you intend to display it to your audience?

Apple TV -- and its associated iTunes network -- is one way.

If you do everything correctly in production, you *should* be able to show a 720p/24 production natively through the Apple network and people with Apple TVs should be able to see it as intended.

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pure hype?

24fps does look different than 30fps - and it gives off the image of professional/cinema/etc...converting 30fps to 24fps often leaves artifacts, which is why i ask if any cam can shoot 24fps natively.
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The question I always ask of young digital filmmakers who are so amazed by 24p is this: How do you intend to display it to your audience?
Ever heard of YouTube?
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Old Apr 7, 2010, 10:45 AM   #9
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Sure... that would work!

(Although APPLE TVs can access YouTube "live" from the Internet.)
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Forgot to mention, however, one problem with YouTube:

The limitation imposed on the length of one's movie.
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