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Old Mar 8, 2011, 2:12 PM   #11
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reason share is great for today

youtube went beyond the basics, waiting for vimeo to do the same,

share, it loads to youtube, go on youtube and use their online editing, DONE! there is your free software,
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Hello,
I have been comparing three cameras: Zx3, Zx5, and FlipUltra (3rd gen).
I can not make up my mind.
1. I like the Zx3 for its price, comes with all necessary cables, and everything you mentioned above. However, it does 1080p at only 30fps. It also only shoots in .mov format, which is PIA to edit and file format is huge. And it does not have a auto share capability.
2. I like FlipUltra because it is not much more expensive. It shoots 1080p at 60fps, mp4 format, auto-share, and you can use AA batteries when battery pack is discharged.
3. And then there is Zx5.... 1080p at 60fps, mp4 format, share capability... basically everything that Flip has, plus everything that Zx3 has, plus shock proof (great for family with kids). However, pre-order stands at $179. Big price difference.

I have no clue what to get. Can you please make up my mind for me and tell me why you would get one vs the other.
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Also, Kodak takes stills. Flip does not. I do not know if it is really a deal breaker.
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1. I like the Zx3 for its price, comes with all necessary cables, and everything you mentioned above. However, it does 1080p at only 30fps. It also only shoots in .mov format, which is PIA to edit and file format is huge. And it does not have a auto share capability.
2. I like FlipUltra because it is not much more expensive. It shoots 1080p at 60fps, mp4 format, auto-share, and you can use AA batteries when battery pack is discharged.
3. And then there is Zx5.... 1080p at 60fps, mp4 format, share capability... basically everything that Flip has, plus everything that Zx3 has, plus shock proof (great for family with kids). However, pre-order stands at $179. Big price difference.
I think there are a few errors that may be very important and may affect any buying decision.

As far as I know the Flip UltraHD is only 720p/60fps -
they do NOT even have 1080p.
ref: Spec page at theFlip.com

Kodak Zx5 does NOT have 1080p/60fps -
it is 1080p/30fps or 720p/60fps (also 720p/30fps and WVGA)
one major disadvantage is that the Zx5 battery is not user changeable -
this means unless one uses an external battery pack (expensive)
when the battery is flat without an AC power point nearby the Zx5 cannot continue recording......
ref: Zx5 page at Kodak.com

I believe the .MOV file is only a container - internally it is still .MP4 -
file sizes are determined not by the file extension, but by the recording strategy like cbr or vbr, and compression used - since .MOV is internally still .MP4.
however I will agree that editors for native .MOV seem to be few and far between.
BUT I think the Kodak supplied (on camera) ArcSoft Media Impression is said to be actually easy to use for the .MOV from the Zx3.
Someone on these forums has also show how one can easily edit .MOV files without any conversion in VirtualDub - one of the most highly regarded and powerful (Free) video editors
ref: Importing .MOV (1080p+720p HD) videos (eg: KODAK ZI8) directly to VIRTUALDUB.
and Editing kodak zi8 hd videos (.mov) in virtualdub detailed youtube video tutorial.

It is true that the file sizes are large with the Zx3 - much bigger than the Zi8 which the Zx3 is based on and shares a lot in common - this is because the Zx3 uses cbr (constant bit rate) whereas the Zi8 seems smarter and uses vbr (variable bit rate)
ref: Post #173 (currently the last page) in Sticky: Kodak Playsport ZX3 Full review ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page) -
might also want to read the counter viewpoint starting with post #4 in thread: Sticky: Kodak Playsport Zx3 Reviews RoundUp

Have you considered the Kodak Zi8?
It is very well regarded here and elsewhere -
please see: Kodak Zi8 Reviews RoundUp -
from: PcWorld.com - Kodak Zi8 Review
" offering superb video quality and versatile audio options. Quite simply, test footage shot with the Zi8 in 1080p mode is the highest-quality video we've seen in a pocket camcorder to date. " (Sep/14/2009)

Although it is still .MOV - as mentioned it uses vbr to give very efficient file sizes and (to me) without any degradation in image quality (see refs above for more detail)

It is currently low priced at $99.89 new shipped (Amazon)
and can be had Kodak certified refurbished at about $79 shipped.
Seems like a bargain to me.

Check out this long thread here:
Sticky: Kodak Zi8 Full review: series ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)

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Also, Kodak takes stills. Flip does not. I do not know if it is really a deal breaker.
they also takestill off video segments on the inhoue editor to
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they also takestill off video segments on the inhoue editor to
Not that stills from these HD pocket camcorders are anything really good to begin with - but the stills from the Zx3 looks pretty reasonable - almost passable, even if it is interpolated - the shots with the digital zoom - well, as almost anyone would expect are not.

The Zx3 stills are better than the Zi8 - which surprised me since the Zx3 is based on the Zi8 and have a lot in common.

For better stills even a cheapo (stills) digicam probably would do better.

This is kind of like the quality of videos from digicams for stills are only OK when compared to these HD pocket camcorders -
the stills quality is reversed.

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I think there are a few errors that may be very important and may affect any buying decision.

As far as I know the Flip UltraHD is only 720p/60fps -
they do NOT even have 1080p.
ref: Spec page at theFlip.com
2hr version one does. Look at column 2 in that link.

If I go with Kodak, I kinda want the waterproof version. What are major differences between Zi8 and Zx3?

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2hr version one does. Look at column 2 in that link.
If I go with Kodak, I kinda want the waterproof version. What are major differences between Zi8 and Zx3?
Sorry, unless I am looking at the wrong thing for the Flip UltraHD -
the 60fps is at 1280x720 - that is 720p -
please look at the second column again -
it says quite plainly right at the top:
" 720p HD | 60 fps "
- nowhere is 1080p (which is 1920x1080) even mentioned

The Flip UltraHD is NOT waterproof.

The Zi8 and Zx3 as most will say are very similar -
since the Zx3 is said to be based on the Zi8 -
in fact many early reviews actually say the Zx3 is a Zi8 in a waterproof body.

BUT there are differences - the Zi8 file sizes are significantly smaller than the Zx3 without any visible detriment to video quality.
(I note Flip UltraHD uses cbr - constant bit rate - and the specs for the 8Gb version is for 2 hours this is about the same size as the Zx3 files).

The Zi8 lens has a narrower view than the Zx3 - which can be good if you video more distant scenes like concerts - but not as good if you like to video scenery/landscape/panoramic like shots.

Zi8 has macro/close-up mode and has connection for external stereo microphones - the Zx3 does not.

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Old Mar 15, 2011, 1:42 PM   #19
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An update with more information either found or absorbed/understood -

Focus:
Zx5 actually has AF (Auto-Focus)
- compared to the Zx3 or Zi8 fixed focus -
the closest normal (non-macro) focus is now 10cm = ~4"
compared to both the Zi8 and Zx3 closest normal focus of 100cm or ~40"

Zx5 macro focus also has a range of 7-17cm = 2.75-6.7"
compared to Zi8 fixed macro focus 15cm = ~5.9"
(Zx3 doesn't even have macro)
  • auto: 10 cm–infinity
  • macro: 7–17 cm
  • auto underwater: 13 cm–infinity
  • macro underwater: 10–22 cm
I just found this on Kodak PlaySport Zx5 HD Specifications | Kodak PlaySport Zx5 HD
not Kodak.com but at KodakPlaySportZx5.org -
don't know how reliable this is -
but it looks like a Kodak advert/sponsored page.

" Sensor type 1/3.2-type, 5 MP CMOS
Lens
  • 5.5 mm, 35 mm equivalent
  • 48 mm @ 1080p
  • 36 mm @ 720p
  • 36 mm @ WVGA
  • 36 mm still capture "
It seems that the lens angle look (suspiciously?) the same as the Zx3 - a good thing.
However I do not understand how this could be with a smaller sized sensor?
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Old Mar 15, 2011, 2:09 PM   #20
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Are we sure its not a fixed focus with auto focus only for macro
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