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Old Mar 15, 2011, 1:57 PM   #21
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Are we sure its not a fixed focus with auto focus only for macro
Well, I am only going by the specs on Kodak.com:
KODAK PLAYSPORT Video Camera / Zx5

It says:
Focus range auto: 10 cm–infinity (my highlight in red)

and kind of corroborating this on:
Kodak PlaySport Zx5 HD Specifications | Kodak PlaySport Zx5 HD
(kodakplaysportzx5.org)

Focus range [auto] 0.1 m–infinity (again my highlight in red)

and unless it's a misprint the 10cm (=0.1m =~4") closest normal focus -
would be virtually impossible with a fixed focus lens and be able to keep infinity in focus -
witness the Zx3 and Zi8 are both 100cm (=~40") to infinity.
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Old Mar 15, 2011, 3:31 PM   #22
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no problem my trust in kodak is lost
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no problem my trust in kodak is lost
Did Kodak tell you something different?

Note: the Zx5 (and Zx3, Zi8 and even Zi6) all have fixed lenses
ie: their lenses are not interchangeable, fixed in place.

The Zx3, Zi8 and Zi6 are also fixed focus -
ie: their focus does not change - fixed (probably at the hyperfocal distance to keep about everything from 100cm (~40") to infinity in focus)

Whereas the Zx5 seems to claim its lens Auto-Focuses
and unless the specs are wrong the range of 10cm (~4", very close) to infinity means it does have some means of focusing.
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Old Mar 15, 2011, 5:06 PM   #24
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http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6275658.pdf

yes I see its Af system.
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Very resourceful finding that Patent document -
I am suitably impressed -

however, how did you know that is the AF system being implemented on the Zx5 please?


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So, I went ahead and purchased both for testing purposes: Zx5 and Flip UltraHD. All I can say Zx5 does not measure up to Flip.
AutoFocus feature is slow, and most of the time simply does not work.
When I use zoom, while it zooms it is all out of whack. And, then it takes about 5 seconds to focus once zoomed in.
Focus is even worst in the low light. By low light I mean, in the well lit room, but not in the sunny outside. I could only get it to focus in the day light, and not moving the camera at all.
Colors are also bad in the low light. Zx5 does not handle light shift well either.
Stabilization does not seem to exist. I tried to keep the camera as steady as possible, but it was still very jumpy.
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So, I went ahead and purchased both for testing purposes: Zx5 and Flip UltraHD. All I can say Zx5 does not measure up to Flip.
AutoFocus feature is slow, and most of the time simply does not work.
When I use zoom, while it zooms it is all out of whack. And, then it takes about 5 seconds to focus once zoomed in.
Focus is even worst in the low light. By low light I mean, in the well lit room, but not in the sunny outside. I could only get it to focus in the day light, and not moving the camera at all.
Colors are also bad in the low light. Zx5 does not handle light shift well either.
Stabilization does not seem to exist. I tried to keep the camera as steady as possible, but it was still very jumpy.
What a shame and disappointment
- I'm sure some had high hopes for the Zx5 -
and you picked it after some consideration.

Auto Focus can be an advance -
but when it is that slow can also be a curse
- the Flip or previous Kodak like the Zx3 and Zi8 have fixed focus lenses - that depend on the hyperfocal distance to keep everything sharp from about 40"(Kodak) or 48"(Flip) to infinity.

Fixed focus may seem backwards or primitive -
but on video this can actually be a good thing -
since some scenes may have a lot of action and unless the AF can react fast enough - often frames will be out of focus -
whereas with fixed focus as long as the subjects are within the focus range - focus remains constant and not going to pose any problems.

It almost seems that the Zx5 is a backward step from the highly regarded Zx3.

Not that it is any consolation - but this could again be early Kodak teething problems.

Some Zi8 earlier samples had horrendous problems -
like freezing on long clips - over-heating, and general unreliability
- yet now most of those seems to have been solved to the point the Zi8 is among the top rated HD pocket camcorders.

The Zx3 seemed to have suffered less from earlier problems - probably because it was based on the Zi8 with minor changes - other than a radically different waterproof and more rugged body.

So hopefully Kodak will address these problems ASAP.

If I had just bought a Zx5 that had those kind of problems -
I would return it for a full refund - pronto -
and consider either the Zx3 or Zi8 (with the accessory Kodak silicone sleeve see post #9 and #14 (links) in Choose: Kodak Zx3 or Zi8?)

Both of which are very well priced at the moment -
and I am very satisfied with the performance and video quality of either.

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I am strongly considering Zx3 now.
Does it come with its own software that allows it to stitch videos?
I am not looking to do major editing. Just some stitching, transitions, and captioning.
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I am strongly considering Zx3 now.
Does it come with its own software that allows it to stitch videos?
I am not looking to do major editing. Just some stitching, transitions, and captioning.
Our resident expert fishycomics probably can give you a more definitive answer.

The Zx3 comes with PC software on the camera -
ArcSoft MediaImpression for Kodak
installation by connecting to PC.

Latest version on the Zx3 was 761.

But once installed will go on the web to update probably about ~66Mb -
so it was a pretty full update.

It can do most of the things like cut, trim -
I was impressed that it can adjust colors (brightness, contrast and saturation)
and separately
Dynamic Lighting
deNoise

I seem to have to do separate passes - as the 3 seem to be mutually exclusive - eg: if I want dynamic lighting and deNoise I can only do it one at a time saving an intermediate .MOV and open the processed file to apply the next process. Seems a bit awkward and somewhat stupid to me - but works OK.

One can put title pages then videos sequentially together to join all of them to make one video file.

.MOV (Quicktime) may seem at first sight to be more obscure than .MP4 for example - but it is only a container - internally it is still h264, mpeg4 video codecs, and AAC audio codec basically the same as .MP4 -
and more importantly accepted by YouTube for direct upload without any changes.

On ArcSoft MediaImpression for Kodak is also an Upload to YouTube icon/button - so once set up this looks like a simple one touch thing.....
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So, I went ahead and purchased both for testing purposes: Zx5 and Flip UltraHD. All I can say Zx5 does not measure up to Flip.
AutoFocus feature is slow, and most of the time simply does not work.
When I use zoom, while it zooms it is all out of whack. And, then it takes about 5 seconds to focus once zoomed in.
Focus is even worst in the low light. By low light I mean, in the well lit room, but not in the sunny outside. I could only get it to focus in the day light, and not moving the camera at all.
Colors are also bad in the low light. Zx5 does not handle light shift well either.
Stabilization does not seem to exist. I tried to keep the camera as steady as possible, but it was still very jumpy.
Sorry to hear, will you be returning the zx-5. it's sad to hear digital autofocus. Why my signiture states pc low budget.............

Kodak taken a step forward, and taken two steps backward.

Back to the drawing board.

I think 159.00 plus tax plus shipping could have gotten today

Woot.com a 8 gig Itouch for less than the amout you paid for the Playsport zx5. and well water resistant.
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