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View Poll Results: Are you interested in going 4k, and how much are you prepared to pay?:
Like a regressive, I am not interested in going 4k. 0 0%
I am willing to pay more than $500 for a 4k ultrahd hybrid camera. 1 50.00%
I am willing to pay $300-$500 for a 4k ultrahd hybrid camera. 0 0%
I am willing to pay less $300 for a 4k ultrahd hybrid camera, you stooges. 1 50.00%
I am willing to pay more than $5000 for a 4k ultrahd TV. 0 0%
I am willing to pay more than $3000-$5000 for a 4k ultrahd TV. 1 50.00%
I am willing to pay more than $2000-$3000 for a 4k ultrahd TV. 0 0%
I am willing to pay less than $2000 for a 4k ultrahd TV, you stooges. 0 0%
I am willing to pay more than $1000 for a 4k ultrahd monitor or 27-32 inch TV set. 1 50.00%
I am willing to pay less than $1000 for a 4k ultrahd monitor or 27-32 inch TV set, please! 1 50.00%
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Old Jan 10, 2013, 11:35 AM   #61
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This is the same thing as some technology I was developing for my game console design years ago. It will be interesting to see what they run it at, because I was aiming up to over 20k resolution surround image (phenomenal data rate, so mostly a low Res version at first until it can be afforded). I know where to look on this one. Industry is so slow.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/09/m...m-with-images/

Doesn't the industry have any original ideas. This is something dine before, and also one design option I came up with.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/p...ell-at-a-loss/
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Old Jan 10, 2013, 11:43 AM   #62
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Default Kodak licenses rights to make cameras and projectors under it's name:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/k...nd-projectors/

Now, whoever was doing cameras for Kodak, hopefully they can access them, cut down the amount of models for the best models, and most of the non practical accessories (like so many case covers for my z1, it is hard to believe) and include the remote you can't find for sale because retailers don't stock it.

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Old Jan 10, 2013, 12:30 PM   #63
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Default Finally, Ambarella 4k sport, mirrorless, and Auto:

http://www.ambarella.com/news/33/74/...l-Cameras.html

http://www.ambarella.com/news/34/74/...Solutions.html

Does not look like my mob was at CES this year releasing the 32 bit high end chip, that could be used for a camera system.

As predicted, he ambarella chip works at 4k 30 frames a second, slow, but we are used to that, but 240fps 720p, and 120fps 1080p. The cameras are going to be nice for slow mode, or high quality. The hdmi is 1.4a, which dies not do 4k at 50/60 fps. No hdmi over usb port to simplify things (but that is not 4k). No USB 3, no thunderbolt/display link. I have not checked, but I imagine the wifi does not support the video over wifi stuff. The reality is that wifi gets faster, we might well see 4k in some form. If TV companies get their act on, they could support it, allowing easy link ups with your or your friends TV's to show edited footage from the camera.

When they say mirrorless, I say micro 4/3rds. I've had my eye on a lens that sticks very little out of the case. $348 will by an older Olympus Pen 1 mini or something, if something like that had this chip, the decision would be effortless.

Going on the less than 2 Watt power consumption for 4k video, we might well be looking at 2 year's before the commodity chip hits 4k60p. p50 (which most TV's should be set up to display if they do p60) would be a bit easier. Could we hit the next year cycle with a lower bitrate 4kp50. The next hdmi/AV input standard might be out by then (but thunderbolt already supports I think). What is happening now is I think I remember talk about making the next HDMI more like display port (that thunderbolt comes from)/usb3.

If you are a rich big camera maker, you might get a custom under 4 watt p60/50 version in a big camera.

Now bit rate, I imagine they will be conservative, and stick to the current low end standard of 80mb/s or less for now. So that $299 (or was that $998) 1100x SD card won't be needed. Maybe now they will go to a higher standard certification tat the market is moving towards a post 80mb/s future.


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Old Jan 10, 2013, 12:51 PM   #64
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Default LG 30 inch 4k Monitor.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/385...tv-at-ces-2013
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Old Jan 10, 2013, 1:10 PM   #65
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http://www.itproportal.com/2013/01/0...80-4k-monitor/
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/385...itor-prototype
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Old Jan 11, 2013, 1:33 AM   #66
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Default Cheaper 4k Television news.

Yes, $2499 for a 50 inch TV set. The price that people find on some high end models are coming down too.

http://www.twice.com/articletype/new...-hd-tvs/104595

A word of warning, look to see what visually is available for the price when shopping 4k, in case you can find something a lot better.

I've found this guy that is talking about $4k Sharp 4k sets in Sumner, and around $6k 70 inch Vizio TV's:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...=1#post1133445

At least the market is heading in the right direction, but may also mean sub $2k sets this year.

On monitors, I hope sub $2k 30 inch this year, but how much less?
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 11:40 AM   #67
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Well, I'm not even going to post links, but Panasonic as well as Sony, were showing off Uhd pro camcorder prototypes. Waiting for something that should be out is disappointingly frustrating. If ambarella can do ultrahdp30 in their chip, it should be possible to do a h264 compressed ultrahd p60, even 3D camera out for a $1000. Wow, whites going to be the first with a micro 43rds lens version in china? If only. Let us envision such a camera. Now, I have see some pretty squat 4/3rds/s16 count lens, that gets the size down on the retail package with such a lens. A group of companies could approach ambarella to do a custom ultrahd p50/60, even 3d (remembering for a low end camera they can drop the er pixel data rate of h264, to keep the chip size, cost and power consumption down (so a 3d p60 might be the data rate of two p30 chips, potentially allowing to chips side by side, or on one core to do it), now the brilliant part, to get over the competition include every free consumer, prosumer and professional, auto, auto shot setup and manual control in two modes for consumer, two for prosumer, two for professional, and multiple user definable custom modes (they decide which features from all the modes to include). Enable uncompressed hdmi/display port output, and thunderbolt (preferably that also doubles as a display port), usb3 (that has a hdmi over usb mobile standard) or latest sata disk drive port standard, to record a live feed from the camera off of it for enthusiasts). This means all you need is one thunderbolt io port or USB 3 port (that supports recording to usb storage sticks) and maybe a card port to do everything (there are HDMI adaptors for displayport, that thunderbolt is based upon). The user gets it in consumer auto mode and can switch if they like. Most of these features cost like cents in software to do, and a lot all together cents. Get a 2/3rds to 4/3rds sensor and matching low profile lens (absolute quality does not matter, the user can put a premium lens on as they wish. Make nice ergonomic controls and styling, very little cost. Now you have a descent camera in the market many knowledgeable buyers would love to buy and recommend. If twenty companies got together to establish the standard and order the chips, or dual chip reference design.
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Old Mar 31, 2013, 10:53 AM   #68
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Found a good report on those cheap Westinghouse ultra hd tv's, bright and sharp, good in comparison to less sets:

http://www.slashgear.com/westinghous...iant-09264625/

It is confusing to which sets are being talked about, hopefully not the $300k set, now that is expensive. Still, it does not tell you more important things, like color gamut and balance, contrast ratio's, motion blur, probably not if it could do ultrahdp50 through an input (a new hdmi standard is coming and displayport is here).

I wonder if our cheap 4k cameras maybe waiting for the hdmi upgrade.
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You know, virtually every time I post here I check how much the number of views goes up over the next day or two. There seems to be consistently around 70 people watching this thread. Why don't some of you guys join up and join us and post some info. A few more ears on the ground could find out a lot more.

Been reading about a cheap 4k camera coming, but do not know how cheap, or if it is cheap to people that buy twenty thousand dollar cameras.
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Old Apr 2, 2013, 9:17 AM   #70
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My hunch about HDMI looks better. According to Wikipedia, the next ultrahd p60 frame rate version is due mid year. However, we needed this when version 1.4 came out, to avoid delays in product market releases. HDMI has lagged behind displayport long enough.

We have need of 8k professional displays now, not ones that barely can match the resolution of a half descent stills image at a huge price.
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