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Old Dec 2, 2005, 1:41 AM   #1
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Alright, so I'm new to this forum as you can see. I was led here by several searches on Google while trying to find a good camera, so I figured I'd just sign up and ask directly.

Okay, so I'm in the market for a digital camcorder. Here are my requirements:

CHEAP! - I don't have deep pockets for super expensive video equipment right now, and I don't really plan on doing anything too serious anyway. I'm thinking something that would be under $100 USD on eBay.

PORTABLE - I want something small and lightweight.

NIGHT - I need something that works decently in nighttime conditions. It doesn't have to be amazing, but it shouldn't be utterly terrible as I've seen on some test videos.

MOTION - I also need a camera that doesn't blur instantly when any motion is introduced. This is darn annoying!

SMOOTH ADJUST - One thing I'vebeen noticingin the review videos for these cheaper cams is that the auto-brightness/contrast/focus/whatever changes are rather jumpy. Is there any way to avoid this with such a low budget camera?



So the camera that's at the top of my list right now is the Aiptek DV4500. The more I read however, the more it seems that this is the poorest choice for what I want. The thing is, I want a camera that looks good, too. This may sound trite, but I love the look of that 4500! In any case, I know that looks shouldn't be the deciding factor for something like this, so I am willing to compromise a bit. I've been seeing lots of references to Mustek and DigiLife DVs, too. If anyone can help me out here, it would be much appreciated! :-D (I love this smiley!)
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Old Dec 2, 2005, 4:40 AM   #2
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!st a Big Welcome aboard.

Second. the aiptek 4500 is perfect for a beginners needs, and as well as the others you can go and look at others and get totally blown away by all its features and offerings. the mustek dv3500 is another look as well as the aiptek dv2, IS-DV

Now if you go digilife the 700 series but the price jups to 150



Now Why they call them hybrids?

the reason economy wise , cram all th features in and offer at a low price but cannot outproform a real camcorder

LOW light is not the best in ALL hybrids even in the sanyo exacti series c40 c6 300-600 dollars

you will get excellent outdoor vid , stablizer, and some choppy scenes , etc the camera is a fixed lens and DIGITAL zoom the digital zoom can be sotware zoomed rather using the real zoom of th camera alot clearer. I can go on and on

So look into the http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=92

Section and you'll find what you are looking for others will pop in to answer I am runninng out the door will try my best to help again.

wow that leads me to add more aipteks to te list ts old.
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Old Dec 3, 2005, 12:38 AM   #3
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Hi spank_fusion,

The hybrids will meet all your requirements except working in low light. As far as I know the only ones that have any capability to work in the "dark" are the one or two with LED flashes that can be used with video. You can find them in the Hybrid List. Even then, they will not have much range.

If you want steady shots, you'll need a hybrid with image stabilization. I don't think there's one yet in your price bracket with that feature.

The Digilife DDV-V1 aka Aiptek MPVR adjusts gradually to changes in lighting. I've had an Aiptek DV4500, and it changes suddenly as you described. Sometimes, it would adjust to totally inappropriate settings, giving a green sky, for instance.

Good luck choosing, and keep us posted!
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Old Dec 3, 2005, 2:29 AM   #4
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Sweet. Thanks for the replies, guys! I've been looking around more myself, and in addition to these comments, I think I've settled on the 4500. My only reservation is the sudden changes you were describing, sgspirit. The idea of having that problem really irks me. Does it happen a lot or what? Hrrmmmm...... :-?
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Shop at home has this for 99 and you may get a idea of how it works on the air. but the vid/voice was off lol a good square camera and for a lot less at other sites. thought i add that in they shown the same professional shots so i am sceptic aboutthat on any camera they sell.

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Sweet. Thanks for the replies, guys! I've been looking around more myself, and in addition to these comments, I think I've settled on the 4500. My only reservation is the sudden changes you were describing, sgspirit. The idea of having that problem really irks me. Does it happen a lot or what? Hrrmmmm...... :-?
It doesn't happen in settings where the scene is relatively evenly bright and colored. But if you're, say, panning from a dark forest to a bright area of water, it will suddenly auto-adjust for the change. Likewise, the DV-4500 has a control to change the zone the camera uses to set the brightness. It also uses that area to set the type of light (fluorescent, dim daylight, sunlight etc.). If you change the zone while filming, the new area the camera uses to evaluate the light conditions can change, and the camera can respond inappropriately. This is kind of hard to explain, but the newer cameras are much more intelligent in this sense, making fewer changes and doing them gradually.
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