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Old Aug 18, 2007, 4:07 PM   #1
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I bought the Kodak Z712 IS and have been playing around with it. I'm doing a lot of comparing with my old Kodak C340 to see if it's that much better and I'm having my doubts at this time. So I thought I would ask to see if there was something I was doing wrong.

With both cameras set to auto, inside, not zoomed at all with either, taking photos of my kids sitting on the floor playing, I get a lot of blurry areas with the Z712. The whole photo is not blurry, just part of their hands in motion, or the toy that they are moving, etc. Wtih my c340, it's all very sharp, action stopped photo. Flash fires with both. I have not checked the exif data to compare the photos as the cameras were set to auto and in a situation like this, I don't want to have to change the settings. Switching to Auto is a convenience that I like.

I do want to learn about the manual options but for now, I'm just concerned about the Auto mode not giving me the photos I'm used to with my other Kodak. This is a situation that I use my camera a lot for. Never had a problem with my old Kodak.

What am I doing wrong?
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Old Aug 18, 2007, 7:13 PM   #2
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And I who was just about to go pick up a Z712 because I wanted sharp pictures...
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Old Aug 18, 2007, 9:52 PM   #3
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I compared my Z712 with my DX7630 and found that Z712 always sets the shutter speed longer than DX7630 does if you let them choose shutter speed. Maybe that is one of reasons Z712 can produce slightly better-IQ photos.But in some cases, when the subjuct is moving,part of the photo may become blur.In this case, I would chooseM mode or S mode.
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Old Aug 19, 2007, 12:09 AM   #4
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Have you tried other modes? The Sports setting on the mode dial is worth a try. Or go over to P and see what happens? All cameras have some little quirks or tricks we have to find before getting the best results all the time. I have the 712 also and use the P setting most of the time. I started with Auto but found that it doesn't do the best job always. The biggest thing I noticed was that the flash did not activate for fill flash in Auto mode, but it did in P mode. I have taken a good number of shots with action in them with no blur. Take a look at these:








Try an experiment. Leave everything at default settings and try P and compare it to Auto. And give the Sports setting a try. I'd be interested in your results.
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Old Aug 19, 2007, 2:22 PM   #5
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Profe is very correct. If you use the "P" which is really Programed Auto and place the flash into the forced flash position (the single lighting bolt, the camera will away change to a higher shutter speed, which would be around 1/60th of a second.

I have found my Z-712 to be a very user friendliy camera that I can hand to anyone and they are able to take very pleasing photos with it. We are always happy to help you in any way at all. Just post here in the Kodak folder or feel free to send me a PM.

Attached you will find a photo taken a lunch on the Crown Princess totally without flash and using an ISO setting of 800. So you can see, Amy the Z-712 is very flexible.

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Old Aug 19, 2007, 3:46 PM   #6
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Those are all great suggestions and the photos do look great, but what about inside? I don't have as much trouble outside with the Auto mode. Inside, it's terrible. I didn't have that bad of issue with my old Kodak. I'll try to show some photos. The last one was taken with alldefault settings and I just turned it to the P setting. The rest are Auto.



Exposure - .5, Aperature - f/2.8, Focal Length - 5.9mm, ISO - 200, flash fired, AUTO MODE (this one is more "my fault" with the blur, but I'm not a shaky person and didn't hold it any different than the rest of the photos)

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1172254229/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1074/...ab19142e98.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Exp-03" /></a>



Exposure - .033, Aperature - f/2.8, Focal length - 5.9mm, ISO - 200, Flash Fired, AUTO MODE (This one didn't turn out too bad.)

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1173118590/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1349/...00bcb5a4b0.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Exp-04" /></a>



Exposure - .002, Aperature - f/2.8, Focal length - 5.9mm, ISO - 200, Flash fired, AUTO MODE

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1173109046/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1161/...1d867f425d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Exp-06" /></a>



Exposure - .5, Aperature - f/2.8, Focal length- 5.9, ISO - 100, No Flash, P MODE

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1173109444/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1249/...5b38d56dbb.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Exp-08" /></a>




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Thank you Sarah... I know that the camer has a lot of manual settings that I could change to offer better photos, but I'm most interested in the Auto Mode. In comparing the Auto photos of the Z712 to those of my old Kodak c340 also in the Auto Mode, the c340 photos are MUCH better... MUCH sharper. So I'm just a bit concerned as to why that would be. I will try the P mode with force flash and see what I get.
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Your second and third attempts were much improved, and more toward what I would expect. Keep in mind that the camera is probably going to select a shutter speed of around 1/60 of a second which my not be sufficient to stop jumping children and the like. However by using the Shutter Preference, the "S" position on the Mode Selector you should be able to increase the shutter speed as desired.

This was a fairly fast and dirty experiment. My husband took these twophoto of me. The first taken in the P for Program Mode with a Forced Flash and an ISO setting of 100 produced a shutter speed of just 1/40th of a second.

The second photo was takenwith me rapidly moving my hand in front of my face and can see thathe was able to stop the action with no problem at all. The Z-712 was in the P for Program Mode with a Forced Flash and the ISO setting moved to an ISO setting of 400 which produced a shutter speed of 1/200 th of a second which would be capable of stopping jumping children in mid jump.

So the answer is yes, we can get the shutter speed to increase when taking flash photos in the P for Program Mode, if we increase the shutter speed. The same would be true for your C-340 as well. i hope this helps, Amy. We have eight children, but they are all grown up and gone from home now. So we have a bit of experience in taking kid photos.

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Thank you Sarah... experimenting is exactly what I need to do. But I do like to be able to pick up my camera, switch it to Auto real quick, and snap some nice photos. That's what I always did with my Kodak c340 and would get mostly good shots. If the light was more dim, the photos would be a bit darker, but there would be no blur. With the Z712, in Auto, that's not the case. I don't always want to have to switch to a different mode, adjust the shutter, turn the flash on, etc to get a shot.

With my above attempts, I didn't do anything different at all with the camera settings.It was set to Auto and I didn't do anything but snap the photos. All in the same room. I got quite a variety of picture quality. I don't know why there was the inconsistency there. The last one, I then just switched it to P mode and snapped a photo. I didn't change anything else. Forced flash would have helped that I'm assuming.

With my c340, I took some photos at the same time. They all came out clear, although slightly darker than the Z712 pictures, but not bad. But no blur.

I haven't had time to experiment further today, but I will do more and hopefully you won't mind looking at what I come up with. I really do appreciate your help so much.

I'm sure it's just me getting used to a new camera and I'll get there. I do like how the Z712 feels in my hand, the fast turn on, and no shutter lag (at least compared to most P&S).
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Amy-

I am always happy to help. You have to realize that it will take you a bit of time and experience to get used to your new Kodak Z-712. It has many more features than your old C-340.

It is a very good camera and has lots of features. I feel as you get used to the Z-712 you will enjoy it even more.

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