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Old Jan 14, 2006, 4:19 PM   #31
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Those are the ones that should complain but to Kodak and see if there is something that can be done. I know I would. And Goofas that one is the correct one and the dog you see as my avatar is one I had for ten years. My best friend and companion. Sorely missed! therefore I honor him by using him as my Avatar as we were kindred spirits. By the by his name Was Thor. Oh and the Battle flag did not insult me as it is just a part of American history, I said it might insult some here on the forum! I figured you being such a nice person wouldn't want to do that! Sorry you decided to leave us. We might have figured out the problem with your camera. There have been legitimate problems with the P850 and about as many problems from folks that just can't figure how to use it. From the photos you shot I figured you did not fit in the second group. They are just too good for that! Wish you'd stayed so I could pick your brain on the 850. I plan on getting one or a 880 sometime in the near future as the price starts down!



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Old Jan 14, 2006, 6:57 PM   #32
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Since we're type-casting (I think that we're on #6):

Type 6:
Those who own the camera, know very well what they are doing, but cannot overcome the following inherent limitations despite their abilities and experience.
again, per the #1 addendum:
#6 wouldnt need to exist if a photo pro does enough research beforehand to determine if the camera finds his/her needs.


"limitations" are subjective
an a COMMON characteristic in ANYcamera- EVEN DSLR's!
it's only a limitation if it doesnt do something you wish it could.
otherwise it is nothing.

Just think only a few years ago 4MP was highest resolution on the market.

the laundry list of "flaws" appear more to be of individual"opinion", rather thancommon agreed upon "cons" (a least for most users).

and for reference, there is info on that previously covered in thisthread here:

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18


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Old Jan 14, 2006, 7:44 PM   #33
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techgeek419 wrote:


again, per the #1 addendum:
#6 wouldnt need to exist if a photo pro does enough research beforehand to determine if the camera finds his/her needs.
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As evidenced in this thread, user's opinions vary based on their individual needs and bias or agenda. The professional reviews weren't available until months after the 850 was available. Your position doesn't hold water for early adopters.
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"limitations" are subjective
an a COMMON characteristic in ANYcamera- EVEN DSLR's!
it's only a limitation if it doesnt do something you wish it could.
otherwise it is nothing.
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Limitations inherent to the equipment, and not a result of user inexperience are certainly relevant.
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Just think only a few years ago 4MP was highest resolution on the market.
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What the review is pointing out is that the 850's usable resolution is well under par for the 5.1 megapixel class. In my experience, the 850's resolution is not discernably greater that the 4MP 6490.
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the laundry list of "flaws" appear more to be of individual"opinion", rather thancommon agreed upon "cons" (a least for most users).
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Well, they're more than an "individual" opinion. The reviewerand I haveobserved the same limitations in the 850, as have others. You clearly don't agree, but they are valid observations nonetheless.
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and for reference, there is info on that previously covered in thisthread here:

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18
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Haven't read it.

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Old Jan 14, 2006, 9:01 PM   #34
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Bubba, Techmo---I gonna let you two hammer this one out I've just about lost interest! LOL Y'all have fun ,,,Ya' heah



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Old Jan 15, 2006, 8:20 AM   #35
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What about the forth type? The smartarse.

I laugh so much when I see someone saying "This camera c**p, I'm getting a DSLR"
The margin for error is much higher with the SLR kit.

P850 pics to follow...

A sample from the smartarse's camera.















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Old Jan 15, 2006, 1:55 PM   #36
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just some final thoughts...

1- Dawg, I am NOT offended by your avitar - R.I.P. toyour "best friend".

2- This forum is great for learning, sharing, and brings some real value for everyone with a serious interest in photography.But this thread itself has to be one of the most harsh threads seen here. Really,if the "Dawg" bows out, you know something has gone wrong. :shock:

3- goofas& bubba, wishing you the best ofluck in finding your dreamcamera that does it all. :bye:

4 - (loose string)(in reply a previous post) - The "cons" listed in the mentioned review are quiteirrelevant to me, really.I dont care about tiff speedand variousotherthings listed there. And areview is just that, a "review".Just because 2 people agree on something doesnt make it fact.

5- There seems to bea growing number of p850 users HERE whohave shown satisfaction in the features andperformance of the product.Many havedocumented their findings with details and photos.

Judge for yourself - oneperson's review or thevarious user documentations:

for reference - links to p850 photos and user comments:

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...mp;forum_id=18


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bubbawilly wrote:
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and for reference, there is info on that previously covered in thisthread here:

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Haven't read it.

you posted a reply to it on January 11th.

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Old Jan 16, 2006, 11:37 AM   #38
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I'd like to address the limitations posted above.

*Soft images and lower than average resolution
* Smearing of fine low-contrast detail

Never had a problem in this area.


* Focus very slow and inaccurate in low light and at long end of zoom; Manual focus is not a viable option
* Focus errors at long end of zoom

Sometimes. The camera does have trouble at the long end of the zoom in low light. Manual focus is very useful in this situation.


* Camera has to refocus with even the smallest zoom shift - can take a couple of seconds

Yes, it is annoying, but not that annoying.


* Over-aggressive noise reduction at ISO 200+

My ISO 200 pictures come out very nice.


* Very noisy at ISO 400, very little fine detail

Te pictures are a little noisy, but they are still very usable. At ISO 800 the picture quality is very bad.


* TIFF writing locks up the camera

Never had this problem. I've only shot about 10 or so pictures in TIFF mode, but never had the camera lock up. I've found RAW mode much better than TIFF and the file sizes are smaller.


* Macro mode is horrid

By this I assume you mean that you can't get very close to the object you are shooting. If so I agree.


* Occasional auto white balance problems
* Color shift at ISO 400

Never had a problem in either of these 2 areas.

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