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Steve Z · Oct 27, 2002, 4:10 PM

Does this look like an abnormal level of Noise for the Hi?

Natural Window Light
F 2.8
Shutter Priority @ 1/125 sec
ISO 200
Sharpness: Soft
Minor PS adjustments

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fd1de481.jpg

sjms · Oct 27, 2002, 4:57 PM

have you printed this image?
did you try it in normal?
i guess the monitor i'm using here right now isn't projecting it well because i don't see the noise issue.
try shooting a tiff and then crop and post it.

Steve Z · Oct 27, 2002, 5:18 PM

Sjms, I shot this "fine" mode and cropped. I realize that all digicams have varying levels of noise. After using a CP995 for a year I've become use to it. But this level of noise in low light conditions seems higher than what I get with the 995

msgtb · Oct 27, 2002, 5:40 PM

It looks pretty good on the screen. The 7Hi is a higher resolution camera than the 995 right? The photos look noisy on the monitor at high zoom settings. Look at the image at only 1 to 1 how does it look. The photo is somewhat underexposed and this will tend to increase the noise. The proof is truly in the pudding and the print which you get from the image.

Dave

Steve Z · Oct 27, 2002, 5:56 PM

Here's another image taken with no flash in low light conditions. This image is full size converted from tiff to jpeg. Any comments on the level of noise ?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...4/fd1dc860.jpg

sjms · Oct 27, 2002, 6:04 PM

seems clean here. i like the fingers moving on the left hand as you type. i personally like regular sharpness. print it and see how it comes out.

Steve Z · Oct 27, 2002, 7:01 PM

Sjms, I just printed out that shot of my son sitting and typing at the computer. I can see noise, yes, but nothing too serious. I guess the real test for noise will be shooting outdoors, since I rarely use the camera indoors without a flash or plenty of natural light.

NHL · Oct 27, 2002, 9:37 PM

Steve Z

msgtb is right, the first picture seems to be underexposed, and corrected in post edit. Also try iso 100 instead of 200. Your shots have much more noise than what I normally see. I took this shot in the middle of the night:

http://www.pbase.com/image/6340887

Steve Z · Oct 27, 2002, 11:13 PM

NHL, that's a great night shot!! You shot that in Night Portrait mode? I should try that. For me, the "Noise" issue is the only thing that bothers me about this camera. Otherwise, I love it. It's everything you said it would be.

NHL · Oct 28, 2002, 5:23 AM

Steve Z

The camera was on manual for that shot (see the EXIF data), Try it! The D7 series is the easiest camera on earth to do this on as "what You See Is What You Get'. I just dialed the shutter & aperture until the overall 'scene lighting' look about right with the D7's EVF, and snapped the picture! I've also captured different searchlights color (red,green, and yellow) and multi beams, but the single blue one looks best like a sword againts the dark sky...

Noises?
http://www.pbase.com/nhl/daynight_comparison

I think it's mostly in your head from reading too many forum postings! All theses cameras, theF707/F717, CP5000/CP5700, D7/D7i/D7hi used the same Sony 5Mp CCD, so they all capture the same shot initially. It all depends on how each camera processes their pictures, and how you set the camera for with the various setting dials.

BTW no in-camera noise reduction algorithm can do a good job as Photoshop afterward... They just strip away the details which is what the Sony is best @ and save you from the Photoshop sessions, but is that what you want? The Minolta will preserve the best details, with the Nikon splitting the differences:

http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ghlight=#15542

Oct 27, 2002, 5:40 PM	#4
msgtb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 22	Looks pretty good It looks pretty good on the screen. The 7Hi is a higher resolution camera than the 995 right? The photos look noisy on the monitor at high zoom settings. Look at the image at only 1 to 1 how does it look. The photo is somewhat underexposed and this will tend to increase the noise. The proof is truly in the pudding and the print which you get from the image. Dave

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Oct 27, 2002, 4:10 PM	#1
Steve Z Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 65	Check out this NOISE!! Does this look like an abnormal level of Noise for the Hi? Natural Window Light F 2.8 Shutter Priority @ 1/125 sec ISO 200 Sharpness: Soft Minor PS adjustments http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fd1de481.jpg

Oct 27, 2002, 4:57 PM	#2
sjms Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,735	have you printed this image? did you try it in normal? i guess the monitor i'm using here right now isn't projecting it well because i don't see the noise issue. try shooting a tiff and then crop and post it.

Oct 27, 2002, 5:18 PM	#3
Steve Z Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 65	Sjms, I shot this "fine" mode and cropped. I realize that all digicams have varying levels of noise. After using a CP995 for a year I've become use to it. But this level of noise in low light conditions seems higher than what I get with the 995

Oct 27, 2002, 5:56 PM	#5
Steve Z Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 65	Here's another image taken with no flash in low light conditions. This image is full size converted from tiff to jpeg. Any comments on the level of noise ? http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...4/fd1dc860.jpg

Oct 27, 2002, 6:04 PM	#6
sjms Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,735	seems clean here. i like the fingers moving on the left hand as you type. i personally like regular sharpness. print it and see how it comes out.

Oct 27, 2002, 7:01 PM	#7
Steve Z Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 65	Sjms, I just printed out that shot of my son sitting and typing at the computer. I can see noise, yes, but nothing too serious. I guess the real test for noise will be shooting outdoors, since I rarely use the camera indoors without a flash or plenty of natural light.

Oct 27, 2002, 9:37 PM	#8
NHL Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: 39.18776, -77.311353333333 Posts: 11,599	Steve Z msgtb is right, the first picture seems to be underexposed, and corrected in post edit. Also try iso 100 instead of 200. Your shots have much more noise than what I normally see. I took this shot in the middle of the night: http://www.pbase.com/image/6340887

Oct 27, 2002, 11:13 PM	#9
Steve Z Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 65	NHL, that's a great night shot!! You shot that in Night Portrait mode? I should try that. For me, the "Noise" issue is the only thing that bothers me about this camera. Otherwise, I love it. It's everything you said it would be.

Oct 28, 2002, 5:23 AM	#10
NHL Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: 39.18776, -77.311353333333 Posts: 11,599	Steve Z The camera was on manual for that shot (see the EXIF data), Try it! The D7 series is the easiest camera on earth to do this on as "what You See Is What You Get'. I just dialed the shutter & aperture until the overall 'scene lighting' look about right with the D7's EVF, and snapped the picture! I've also captured different searchlights color (red,green, and yellow) and multi beams, but the single blue one looks best like a sword againts the dark sky... Noises? http://www.pbase.com/nhl/daynight_comparison I think it's mostly in your head from reading too many forum postings! All theses cameras, theF707/F717, CP5000/CP5700, D7/D7i/D7hi used the same Sony 5Mp CCD, so they all capture the same shot initially. It all depends on how each camera processes their pictures, and how you set the camera for with the various setting dials. BTW no in-camera noise reduction algorithm can do a good job as Photoshop afterward... They just strip away the details which is what the Sony is best @ and save you from the Photoshop sessions, but is that what you want? The Minolta will preserve the best details, with the Nikon splitting the differences: http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ghlight=#15542