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With rare exception, I have also listed the positives along with the negatives when giving my opinion of the Z1 (or any camera for that matter). I realize that on a Minolta oriented message board, the negatives are going to "hit" harder than the positives in a message though, so it doesn't surprise me that the negative comments are the most criticized and remembered. I will keep posting here, as well as on any other forum that is for a camera that I either currently own or previously owned. I will also continue to post comments (both positive and negative) about any camera I currently own or previously owned. I do this because as I shopper, *I* would appreciate it when deciding about what camera to buy. I don't just want positive opinions, and you can typically get the most information out of negative reviews, even if you do not agree with them. |
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If you don't like this, I wouldn't advise visiting the Sony, Kodak, Olympus, Panasonic, or Minolta forums on any of the popular sites. You will see Effzeeone posting messages on every one of them. |
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EffZeeOne,
I wanted to ignore your reply, but you left me no alternative than to respond. The problem is that i do not know where to begin. Unfortunately, neither of us feel inclined to let this one drop, so it will probably be weeks before this chain ends. (1) You say "my interaction to you ... should be minimal or nonexistent". And then you go on and write a book - in your response to me. You are not even true to your own convictions or statements. (I think that they call that "Schizophrenia"). Maybe you ned some professional help. (2) I get real pleasure in seeing your imaginative responsives; cuttiing and pasting, and using a multitude of html coding to make my comments, and your responses, stand out. You must be so proud of making your responses appear so wonderful. (3) You make a crude attempt at characterizing me as a teenager. You make some claim that i am using my father's icon. Such feeble attempts to downplay and minimize my statements. No, I am not a teenager. The icon is me. Whether you wish to believe it or not, it is me. I am 48. My 30 year high school reunion (1973) was this past summer. I don't see YOU posting a picture of yourself. But, I guess that either (a) you don't have a website to point to in order to use a jpg image, or, (b) you don't know how to do so, or (c) you are too embarrassed to reveal yourself to the rest of the readers. (4) You never did defend your lie, in which you accused me of stating that there is "nothing" wrong with my Z1. Instead, you changed the subject (typical technique of someone that can not defend their own position or argument). Instead, you attackd me because I used the word "sh&t". Gee, is that what you base the ultimate conclusion of a discussion on, is the use of language. I would be willing to put it to a vote - for the readers of this website. Would they (the readers of this website) prefer to read a post (of yours) which containted no colorful language, but contained lies and mistatements. Or, would they (the readers) prefer to read a comment (of mine) that contained the word "sh&t" but contained 100% truthful statements, and meaningful information. Only the readers can speak for themselves. I will speak for myself: I would prefer to read past some colorful language, if i knew that the information was valuable information, than to read a "clean" comment that was full of bull-pucky (like yours). I suppose that you never use any colorful language, ever. Not at work, not around co-workers, not arounnd your family. I guess you are perfect, just like your camera. (5) You seem to be hung up on the term "bigot". Yes, I started it first . It was intended to be a comical comment, to make a point. Yet, you have grabbed hold with both hands and won't let go. Let's see, if we a look a bit more closely, it is YOU (and not me, or others) that has a bi-line (below your name) that contains a reference to the manufactuer of your camera. You don't see my name with a "Minolta Yahoo Group" bi-line below. You are the one with the "PanaLumix Yahoo Group" bi-line below your name. Can't you even see the OBVIOUS. I was born in 1955. How about you? Since you challenged me, I responded with my age. How about you? Can you respond in kind? Or, will you simply change the subject again. You are so brave with your comments. Let us see YOUR face. I have already done so. Again. I am enjoying my Z1. I took pictures of my son, daughter (and her girlfriend) and my wife tonight. How about you, with your EffZeeONe.? Grow up, and stop lying. |
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Look, I'm done. I've said my piece and don't care to banter back and forth with a 12-year-old (or at least a 48-year-old with a 12-year-old mentality). I've obviously struck a bad nerve with you, most likely over your choice of cameras, since you seem to be so hyper-defensive about it, and so critical over my camera (which you have never owned). It's time for this thread to return to something useful for the other members here. I am sorry that you cannot handle my disagreeing with you on whether or not the Z1 is a good camera or even one that can be recommended without reservation. I personally think the Z1 is a good camera...as in mediocre...but not a great camera. I commend Minolta for attempting to put out such a well-featured camera, but I think they tried to pack too much in far too little of a MSRP, and the result was a little suffering in quality and functionality of all these features. I cannot and do not recommend the Z1 over the Panasonic FZ1. I could possibly recommend it over other cameras in the superzoom class, but I refuse to talk out of my posterior about cameras that I have never owned or directly compared side-by-side with the Z1, so I will let someone else who has owned an Olympus, Fuji, etc. make that recommendation (or not). Again, if you would read my older posts on the Z1, you would see that I had very high hopes of the Z1 working out as my camera of choice. It did not -- that is my opinion and my experience with directly comparing two cameras. Until you have done a direct, side-by-side comparison between the Z1 and FZ1, I really dont' care to hear any further comments about my findings regarding these two specific cameras. Stick to your own findings and leave mine alone. |
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I've just read your discussion about Z1. I was interested to see how much Chris has critisized FZ1 on Panasonic Forum. Just look at his profile, check "Find all post by..." and you can see how much critical he is about FZ1.
You can find his "test" of Z1 at "http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12900&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sta rt=50". Very impressive and deep. (Some picture in "Auto mode") I suppose that after this very "complete" test we must count him as a "Guru" of photography! |
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I have read the discussion between EffZeeOne and sonomablue. I think that EffZeeOne is quite full of himself. He seems to have Minolta-envy. I think sonomablue's information was more useful. I have considered buying either the Z1 or a Cannon. I still have not made up my mind. I appreciate hearing that some Minolta camera owners like their cameras. Maybe EffZeeOne should not get so defensive about the whole thing. His last note was very immature.
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Folks, let it drop. This thread is becoming moronic, and to be honest I am feeling like a moron for getting sucked into a flamewar with a few people who really aren't worth my time. Move on to Minolta related topics. If you feel the need to specifically attack or criticize me, please do it via the Private Message function of this forum software. That way, it's only me who has to ignore you and not all the visitors of this website.
For those of you who have replied to my postings on this thread with snide or rude comments and personal attacks, I think it says volumes about you when you so eagerly come out of the woodwork to perpetuate this worthless flamewar thread, but the following message threads involve questions about the Z1, and they have received no replies at all! Why don't you try to help out your fellow Z1 owners/shoppers with their questions instead of attacking people for their opinions? http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=18482 http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=18307 http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=18128 http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=17692 |
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First, here's a clickable link to that thread: Effzeeone's Z1 & FZ1 Comparison Here's a quote from part of the thread where it pretty much addresses your sarcastic comment about it being a "complete" test and clearly explains why I only tested the Z1 in auto mode. I also wish to emphasize that I probably took several hundred pictures in a variety of indoor and outdoor conditions. Quote:
Considering the Z1 is now being advertised during the primetime television hour and is being marketed toward typical point-n-shoot consumers rather than professionals, I think that my opinion of the lacking quality of the Z1's auto mode to be very relevant to most people who are shopping for a Z1. |
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Ok, i have a question.
What is so wrong with a teen in the forum? Yes, i am 13, i was born in 1990, and that is me in the avatar. I am sitting here thinking, and i can't think of a good reason what is wrong with that. No, you may not have said that, but you implied it. As long as i have camera knoledge... It may sound "madish" from what i am typing, but as i read you guys "fight" i am smileing ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Hmmm...Adwulf, Patrickspix, and Iwantmydigicam2 all joined on 12/23/03, have each only posted one message, and have only responded to threads that are critical of the Z1 (both in the Minolta and Panasonic forums). The also all share very similar vocabular, syntax, etc.
Call me Dick Tracy or Sherlock Holmes, but I'm getting the funny feeling that all three of these people are the same person. So is that what we're doing now -- making up virtual friends to back our position/opinion on something? Geesh. |
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