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I agree with you 100%. I usually look at people pictures from their composition and lighting skill. Rarely do I zoom in and look for artifact or what kind of camera the photographer use! Does any one go to a gallery with a magnifying glass, and look what brush a painter use, or left any mark on it? If anybody did then they really miss the point, and will never enjoy art... but only be a critic. |
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Why are you reading this discussion about the finer points that you care nothing about? Don't torture yourself. NHL Quote:
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The noise isn't just "so-called." It's plain corruption of the image. Quote:
Not sure what the point of your point 6 is. The 7xx has above average luminance noise, which, as I've said several times, becomes a problem especially in heavy cropping and printing at large sizes. Your points 7 and 8 likewise seem beside the point. An award based on who knows what criteria doesn't remove the noise problem. And, again, this has nothing to do with my preference or yours, or which camera will make us each happiest. The issue you refuse to focus on is that the 7i has more noise than its competitors and that this is indeed a problem for people who intend to push it to its limits. Your comments about Phil again fail to focus on the noise issue. He may well have been mistaken about the batteries for all I know. I can't see his evidence on that. But I've seen his evidence for the noise, and I've seen it at other sites. I still haven't seen any good evidence from you. Save your conclusions about who's being gullible until after you've shown some proper evidence. As for color, the 7xx does have some color problems, of course, as every camera does. The particulars are well documented at dpreview and imaging-resource.com. But, again, that's beside the point. |
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Sanpete: I think you have some great points here. I also wondered why NHL stated that the CCD and RAW files will be a direct parameter for messuring for all the 5MP digicams.
NHL: When will you open your eyes and see that da... noise ?! Noise IS important, just as the placement of a little silly button son the side of a barrel. And saying that lenses isn't THAT important...try telling that to the Zeiss guys, Sony guys etc. etc - I'm sure they will argue different. |
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Gee, I'm sorry I even started this thread. After about a week of using the 7Hi and printing out some 8 x 10 prints, I'm finding less and less Noise in my images. I really have to strain my eyes to see it. This is largely because of learning the quirks of the camera. If I want to avoid/mimimize Noise, I
a) I shoot at IS0 100, b) Use the "soft" setting in Sharpness mode. C) When it indoors make sure I'm using the on board/external flash or make sure there is lots of natural light. D) Avoid "Low Light" situations Even my Nikon 995 produced Noisy images in low light/underexposed situations. It use to frustrate me too. As someone on one of my threads commented a few days ago.. "Did you buy the camera to shoot only in low light conditions?" No, of course I didnt. By the way, the portrait of my mother-in-law I posted last night in another thread turned out great printed. Noise was hardly noticeable printed 8 x 10 and not noticeable at all at 5 x 7 http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4335 |
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this issue pops up every now and then. its part of the life with this camera. you learn to live with the controversy. it also gives other people something to ***** about(i put those in myself to save the server time). look we're here to help each other and thats what we'll do. i hope you enjoy using the camera. |
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Don't waste your $1000 on the Minolta!!! Quote:
Klaus I have said in my postings the so called noise can be eliminated by jusdiscious adjustments to the camera, and you're not stuck with the standard default setting like some other! Even Minolta says the noise is there, and they give the reason for it, who am I to refute it? Quote:
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This forum starts to look just like the DPreview ones... a little more civilized may be? |
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NHL, can you explain this paragraph in layman's terms? It sounds important and I want to understand this better.
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Does the above mean that shooting in RAW is more advisable? |
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Shooting in raw is always more advisable, but there's a penalty such as unless you have a D7hi, there's like a 12s wait between shots with the microdrive or one of the faster cards. The D7hi has a larger buffer and let you shoot 3 frame/s in this mode up to 5 shots before this wait become active. You also use up a lot of flash memories this way! The raw format is basically it, raw data as it is shifted out from the CCD to the memory with the camera settings such as speed, aperture, white balance, as well as your soft and contrast setting (the two that affect noise the most) captured as part of this file. It is proprietary however as each manufacturer encode their parameters differently. The key here is the actual output picture is not yet compute (ie the actual decoding and the noise reduction is not performed by the camera yet). Once the raw data is imported to computer, the picture is then computed externally from the camera inside the PC with the previous exposure settings (as well as the compensations which you have overided). In general the PC resident software should match the output of the camera, but when your original is off, for example your aperture is too small, the original data is still intact from the CCD. This will give you more leeway to recover with the raw data. If the same picture was computed (ie jpeg & fine) by the camera then output files are already clipped, hence there's not much data left to recover. There a free Photoshop plug-in that you can get! http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...231&highlight= |
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