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Old Jan 7, 2005, 10:10 AM   #1
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Hi all,

I've now got my M410R and it came with the DANE-ELEC XS SD card as recommended by Kyocera.

I would like to get some more cards but have read that there could be a problem with compatibilty with sandisk ones, these are readily available and very quick, faster than the Dane-elec ones.

Has anyoneexperienced a problem with the sandisk andwould there be a noticeable difference in speed performance using the sandisk or Dane-elec.

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Old Jan 7, 2005, 12:48 PM   #2
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hi again ian

i have a 512mb sandisk ultra II in mine...works fine no problems at all it was also awsomely cheap (me being a skinflint ) it was £26.99 + about £8 p+p but he's put them up to £31.99 now on ebay of course!

let me know if you want the details and i'll post a link for you. otherwise just have a ganders on ebay theres lots of them!

there is a speed difference between that and mycrappy old 256 kingston and pny ones although in this camera they are still quick enough for a 3 frame burst!

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Old Jan 7, 2005, 4:39 PM   #3
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ThanksSteve,

Will have to get a sandisk ultra II and try it, if it don't work I will just take it back.

I just wondered if there would be any benefit of using the sandisk over the Dane-elec as the sandisk is faster? would it be thatnoticeable, after all Kyocera do recommend the Dane-Elec, even though there are faster cards.

I think it maybe worth getting one and comparing the 2 types.

Happy New year!

Cheers Ian


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Old Feb 25, 2005, 4:57 AM   #4
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Lo,

I know it's an old thread but anyway ....


Bought a sandisk 512 ultra II yesterdayto accompany my standard dan-elec 256
Increase in speed is huge you will not be disappointed.

I had been looking for high speed cards and had to find out that there are actual
major difference in read/write speeds on cards marked "high speed".
Unfortunately most vendors do not put actual speeds on the box only reference
is the term "High Speed".

On their website Kyocera stated that to maximize the abilities of Rtune technology
one should use a card capable of read write speed of 10mb/s.

Comparing information on the cards manufacturers websites i found out that actually
only the sandisk ultra II and panasonic high speeds have 10mb/s all others had
lower speeds ranging from 4.5 to 7.7 f.i kingston, danelec xs etc.

If you want to have THE fasted you could splash out for one of these new
sandisk 1GBextreme III cards with speeds up to 20mb/s .

So i guess it would be a good idea to check the real card speed when considering
purchasing a high speed card and make sure that it had min 10mb/s.

Hope this helps:-)

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Old Feb 25, 2005, 5:40 AM   #5
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Hi

Did you check out the specs of the Kingmax platinum? They are now avaliable in up to 2GB...here is some info from their website

Operation Voltage : 2.7 ~ 3.6 V.
Support SD & SPI Mode.
Capacity : From 16 MB to 2GB.
Higher Transfer Rate, Max : 10MB / sec.
Low Battery Consumption to Maximize Battery Life in Small Protable Devices.
No. of Pins : 9pins.
Non-Volatile Solid-State, Data is not Lost When Power is Turned Off.
Security Level Complies with Both Current and Future Security Digital Music
Initiative(SDMI) Portable Device Reqirements.
Size : 32*24*1.4 mm



This is a card you havenot checked out properly....it is as fast as my Panasonic high speed card but costslessbut if your happy thats the main thing

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Old Feb 25, 2005, 7:14 AM   #6
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it was quite interesting somewhere on tomshardware they did a test on sd cards..

the differences in read write speeds was huge but it was dependant on how they were addressed. some cards performed well at sustained reads/writes, but poorly at interrupted reads/writes. some cheap cards theoretically thrashed the sandisk for some applications and some expensive cards justified the price. the results were all over the place.

i've looked for the article but cant find it so you'll just have to trust me!

the moral of the article is that most card have strengths and weakness's it the actual use that proves it. Benchmarks can show up problems that will not happen in the real world... so if you've used it and happy... spread the word.... keep using it!

to be fair i have a crappy pny low speed card and its still pretty quick in the M410r probably quicker than most consumer cams with high speed cards in!

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Old Feb 25, 2005, 7:26 AM   #7
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Hi Tony,

I did look for the kingmax but unfortunately i have not found them anywhere
here (i always buy in stores never over internet or mail order).
I just wanted to point out how relative the term "high speed" is..
I was able to pick the ultra II up for 59€ while normal retail price here is 74€.

Something that did cause my eye was with the specification of both cards.
Specs Sandisk : Have a minimum sustained write speed of 9MB per second
and a read speed of 10MB per second
Specs Kingmax : Higher Transfer Rate, Max : 10MB / sec.
I guess this is only marketing :?and both cards perform similar...

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Old Feb 25, 2005, 7:33 AM   #8
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Lo Steve,

I guess because of the M410r being a exceptional fast cam on its own with its Rtune
technology its faster than most other cams even with HS cards so i. I know from
the normal Daneleccard that i have been using up to now that the cam with
this card was faster than many others i have seen. With this ultra II is really blasts
all others away.(i mean camera's of course)

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Old Feb 25, 2005, 8:11 AM   #9
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Mr V

You must find it very limited in your choice of brands if you refuse to shop online or mail order. I find that very odd in this day and age

I would not pay to much attention to a makers claims in terms of speed of cards. The only real way to find out is try then for yourself (to bad Steve is unable to find that test on cards) and am happy to say both my Panasonic and Kingmax are very fast performers that really add to the enjoyment of owning the M410R

Even when i had my PNY card the camera was faster then a lot of other cameras i had tried

All credit to the R Tune technology!!

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Lo Tony,

To be honest online stores here in the netherlands actually carry mostly the
same products as retail with same pricing.
You have much more choice in the UK for online and it's probably much safer.
I do not trust most dutch online sellers as there are so many 'bad' people when
it comes to online shopping don't get me started about nl ebay.
Maybe you can give me some good suggestions on trustworthy UK sellers
that ship to NL ? Would be very welcome....
I usually see myself wondering off to Germany to buy my gear.
I live in Maastricht(nl) and work near Aachen(ge) and i have found a few
specialised photo shops therewith competitive prices and always a nice chat.

It would be nice to read the review steves spoke about but then again its always
a combination of equipment that can make a difference .. And Yes of course specs
on these kind of things is just marketing..

Please do not get me wrong i'm absolutely not saying that other cards are
not good, not at all... Just sharing experience...about thisfantastic Cam.


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