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Old Jan 31, 2005, 5:11 PM   #11
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U4r does seem to be the more expensive model so they are not the same camera as i first thought....i will have another look when i get time but for now i gotta leave you to it

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I have a Kyocera SL300R. I've been using it for a year. Here's a few of my thoughts.

I can make good prints on 13 x 19 paper with this camera. It takes a little doing in Photoshop but it's possible. I've even sold a few at that size. I'm using an Epson 2200.

I don't like the colors of the Contax SL300RT images I have seen. Specifically I see a lot of purple skies with that camera. I do think the Contax does a better job with shadows, they are too dark on my camera.

The U4R is different from the SL series cameras, one difference being a larger LCD screen. I'd say the U4R changes and extends the SL line, although of course they couldn't call it an SM camera.

I short I'm happy with my SL300R and I'm not particularly interested in the 400R or the 300RT. I am tempted by the U4R however.

On a side note, I took a good long look at the small Sony cameras with the Carl Zeiss lenses, the T1, T3, T11, and T33. Looks like a very similar lens arrangment as the Kyoceras. However the Sonys don't let in as much light and therefore camera shake becomes more of a problem.
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Old Feb 1, 2005, 2:30 AM   #13
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Good feedback there which i am sure Ian can use

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Old Feb 6, 2005, 1:54 AM   #14
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I have an SL400R and am vary happy with it, it is a great point and shoot camera. I keep hearing that the Contax SL300RT takes better pictures because it has better lenses and a different coating on the lense. Given the high quality images I get from my SL400R I dought that the image quality from comperable Contax camera models would be that much better. I have a large Digital DSLR camera as well, however most of the pictures I take are with the SL400R because it is the camera I have with me most of the time, and it does a good job.

The only down side to the SL400R I have found is the short battery life.

Get a second battery with the camera and A larger memery card, at least 128MBs.

An DS card reader is also a must, tranfering images directly from the camera drains the battery.

The SL400R is preferable to the SL300RT if you are going to do any image cropping in a Photo Shop type program.



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Old Feb 7, 2005, 6:33 PM   #15
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Hi Y'all

All I can add is ......what you've heard me say before .....and maybe in other forums too .......

A very knowledgeable friend had both the Finecam 300 andthe Contax 300 and found the Contax much better.

I have tried to tell people why this difference should be so, ..... the information has come from someone I know, trust and who works for a company who should know.... but some people still insist on making comparisons or statements about both cameras even though they have only owned one of the cameras.I could be accused of falling into the same category ..... I only own the Contax version ....but I am reporting onpractical experience from people who have used both. What I report to you is what people have been telling me ....... from people who have owned both.


It has all been discussed elsewhere and people who haveowned or used both, consistently come up with the same story ........... so this is NOT supposition, logical conclusion, extrapolation, lateral thinking or even "Fairy Dust" as some people have implied (in other forums!).

I have seen no evidence of odd skies from my SL300RT* (compared with shots from my Yashica KC600, KC2100, Kyocera S3X, S3L and M410R, or my 35mm Contax gear!)

I find it hard to describe the refinement of the images from the SL300RT* compared with the same shot from my M410R. They are both excellent cameras, I love them, and will keep both, for different jobs.

My original post on this is at


http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/v...;highlight=U4R

I cannot directly compare the Contax SL300RT* with a Finecam SL400R myself.... I don't own the SL400R ......and unfortunately have had no feedback from anyone who has had both either. I hope that will be rectified in the near future by either an avid specialist Contax user, or myself (another avid Contax user ... Ha! Ha!).

Moving on to the Contax SL300RT* vs the Contax U4R ... a few points....... hereis a comparison lifted from the above link:

"As for the U4R specs vs the SL300RT* specs, the few provisional details seem to suggest

1) 2" LCD vs 1.5" LCD

2) USB Docking station with battery charger vs No Docking station.

3) TV (NTSC/PAL) out via Docking station vs No TV out.

4) 9 point multi AF function for improved focusing.

5) 6x digital zoom vs 2x in record mode

6) 1100mAH vs 780mAH L-ion Batt.

7) Nice Leather (to smell :-)) vs Plastic.

Oh! Yeah! I nearly forgot .......

8) 4Mp vs 3Mp"


....but enough of that ....what isthe avid specialist Contax user (whohas used both the SL300RT* and U4R) got to say about the two cameras .........

.....if I read itcorrectly ........there is significantly improved (lowering) of the noiseon the U4R at ISO setting of 50, compared with the SL300RT*'s lowest setting of 100ISO.

The colour rendition on the final outputis better on the U4R, and the LCD screen isimproved and allows that better colour to be viewed.

The extra Meg is useful if you crop
(as willlwill states).

In another email .... this was reported .................

"The Contax/Kyocera cameras seem to have the ability to take reasonably sharp pictures in dull light as opposed to the Nikon Coolpix range (which has been top dog in this hobby for a while now)which does suffer with the lag and blurred pics in low light.

We obviously suffer from lack of good light on a regular basis in this country (UK), which makes these Contax/Kyocera cameras more usable in the sense that you can keep a good many of the pics, in the past you would only bring home a record shot or blurred shot so you could justify your days efforts....."

I don't want to expand on this too much as I intend to supply an article, with superb pictures (not mine!) in the very near future, ina newNewsletter on the KYUK website.


Willlwill, I am glad you are pleased with the SL400R ... let me state I believe it to be a great camera too ........ butI think if you try theU4R,you'll no longer doubt that there isa lot to begained overits Finecamcousin. You are right about the fact that you will want to carryeither of themeverywhere you go .... and use them!

Cheers, KK.
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Old Feb 7, 2005, 6:41 PM   #16
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Thanks KK,

Just want a very easy to use P&S for the wife. I've posted another topic in the Telescope thread, but would like to attach the camera to a telescope.

So you've guessed whats coming.....

What Telescope, and what would be the better camera?

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Old Feb 8, 2005, 6:16 PM   #17
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Tony,

Have found a SL300RT* for the wife in America waiting for a reply from the seller as he doesn't say he will ship abroad.

Know a way round this?

I can't let this go it's the only one I've found!

Still got 6 days left, though.

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Old Feb 9, 2005, 7:52 AM   #18
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Ian

These guys are among some that ship internationally..

http://www.digitalfotoclub.com

but you must remember to check with Kyocera/Contax with regards to the US warranty.

The wife lets me use her relatives for shipping sometimes but she strictly limits that to my own use and i have no say in the matter:roll:

Sorry i cant be more help

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Old Feb 14, 2005, 5:17 PM   #19
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Still looking,

Found a cracker Contax SL300RT* $230 about £120.

Finished at 3.00am I didn't win someone came in at $232.50!!!!

Still with the postage and duty and vat I bet it would be nearer our price

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Old Feb 15, 2005, 7:32 AM   #20
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Isn't customs duty VAT?

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