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Old Oct 3, 2009, 7:00 PM   #1
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I shoot landscapes primarily to show the location of where my wildlife pictures are taken. I like to hit the beach or lakes at 5:30 in the morning. Oddly enough, sunrise keeps getting later and later. Part of some plot that we are unaware of.

At any rate, I got to my favorite beach LATE, but still to soon to shoot wildlife. So I took these shots of the pre-dawn, and a wee bit after dawn, of Gerritsen Outlet in Brooklyn - And the Marine Bridge to the Rockaways from Brooklyn. The last shot is done with an 800mm lens, the others with the Sigma DP2

The light kept changing, second to second.









Hard to believe the below is the same Bridge - Nor is this a close crop, rather a full frame image. It was shot after the sun came up.




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Old Oct 4, 2009, 9:16 AM   #2
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Default Nice light in these shots!

I like morning-shots in general. Ususally, there is something special about them. The light is so interesting, tender and mellow before the sun actually raises above the horizon, wiping out unneccesary details and let you enjoy the essence of what you have come to see.

#1 and 2 for dramatic sky and the silhuette of the bridge. There is an interesting cloud-bank coming up, wich look like a bit of troubled weather ahead. These shots would be perfect for a dramatic HDR-rendering, Dave!!!!

The curved cloud-front in #3 gives an otherwise dull landscape a dramatic shine.

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Old Oct 4, 2009, 10:52 AM   #3
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I like morning-shots in general. Ususally, there is something special about them. The light is so interesting, tender and mellow before the sun actually raises above the horizon, wiping out unneccesary details and let you enjoy the essence of what you have come to see.

#1 and 2 for dramatic sky and the silhuette of the bridge. There is an interesting cloud-bank coming up, wich look like a bit of troubled weather ahead. These shots would be perfect for a dramatic HDR-rendering, Dave!!!!

The curved cloud-front in #3 gives an otherwise dull landscape a dramatic shine.

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Ahh, Walter, but a perfect HDR shot, would not show the viewer what I saw that morning...

The human eye, looks at shadow, and our eyes adjust to see it, we turn to a bright part of the sky, and our eyes, once again adjust to the bright.

The perfect HDR shot doesn't look like HDR. Who has ever was able to see both shadow and bright before the sun was up?

I spent time PPing this image to show you what I saw, not what could theoretically be seen.

True, the human eye has a greater range than the camera - And the human eye doesn't need a button to push, or a wheel to turn, in order to make quick "adjustements."

Let me show you two shots, both taken within a few seconds of each other. The first, shows exactly what I saw, the second was pp'ed to show what could be seen.






Your HDR work, and that of others on this site is marvelous, absolutely stunning. But it's not necessarily what I want to capture. I want to capture what I see, and show others what I see.

Some of the best HDR work I've ever seen is constantly being posted here. I am impressed! But is it always appropriate?

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Old Oct 4, 2009, 12:48 PM   #4
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I can easily see what you are trying to 'bring across' with those 2 examples of wildlife-shots, and I accept your view about this - I even agree with you - when it comes to shots like these.

I'm not saying that HDR should be applied to every shot, just suggested that your shot #2 in posting 1 would be great i HDR as it would emphasice the oncoming "pack" of mean-looking Cumulus mediocris and Cumulus congestus to a new hight.

The fact that 90% of my postings contain HDR-renditions does not mean that everything should be in HDR. Far from it. The process and the software as such are both new to me and, for the time, I'm exploring all its possibilities to the full, but only to learn as much as possible about it - so that I may be able to decide - later on when I'm on a shooting spree - in which case HDR is in its place, and in which it isn't.

Apart from that, the two of us are followers of two very different Genres of photography. While you are mainly a Wildlife- and Street scenes - photographer (in which case HDR has nothing to offer anyway), are 99% of my shots landscapes and seascapes. And this is where HDR can make a difference, so why not explore it and use it to my advantage? HDR has its place like every novelty that comes along and it should be treated as such. HDR should never be the main-goal itself but the means to achive a certain look, create a special mood.

The novelty of HDR will wear off and I'll probably explore something else after that. There will always be 'something new' to get into.

In my case it is also a matter of equipment (that I do not have...). As I am not in a position (retired on health grounds) to buy expensive camera-equipment (dreaming of a Nikon D90 or D5000 or maybe a Canon 500D ) I have to do with what I have. A p&s-camera is not the best of a start when trying to conquer the great field of "Photography", as I am trying to.

Lacking the Image Quality that dSLR-owners are able to produce, I 'compensate' for that lack with HDR-processing which gives me some kind of an 'edge' - if you see what I mean...


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the clouds are eceptional in the first three images , walter and chato you both have valid points .

walter get the d90 LOL it just feels better
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Since both Walter and you are amongst those posting excellent images, let me expand a bit about turning these images into HDR.

Seven out of ten of the images you guys post, completely fool me. They not only look good, but look right! However, three out of ten, while looking beautiful, leave me feeling that something is phony, something which I can't quite put my finger on is wrong - Well actually I Can put my finger on it - and thus this post...

These images were shot with almost no light. While I no longer have the Raw files, I can fool around with them and make the forground, and even the ocean, look as if there was more light - But the background, ain't nothing going to make the background right. Nor could I have shot these images to make the background brighter. It was night.

Thus an HDR of these images, while it might very well pass muster as a beautiful image, a job well done, will fall into that catagory, of "something is fishy about this scene."

In another thread that Walter posted of rocks and sea, someone else brightened the image up. I commented that it didn't look "right;" that little comment, and that image, is an illustration of when and where HDR is fully appropriate.

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