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Old Oct 6, 2012, 4:39 PM   #1
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I have not posted in a while. These photos were taken last night by the lake near where I live. The funny thing is that after I uploaded the photos I'm not impressed with the way they look. They were raw files converted to jpeg and then resized to conform to the required size.
I have not posted many photos and would apreciate any help in finding out why they look very sharp in my monitor and not here
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Old Oct 7, 2012, 4:03 AM   #2
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I would have stop down more to get more dof on the second one, the foreground does not enough in it to carry the shot.
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Thanks for taking the time to comment on the photo. I have looked at he original photo which was taken at f18 exposed for 8seconds, The dof in the foreground is so clear with lots of details. So my thinking is, does converting from raw to jpeg and then resizing the photo take away so much of the details away from the original. I'm using ACDSee Pro 5 to convert and re size, could I be doing something wrong along the way to cause the re sized version to look so dark, and lack the details that are in the original.
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if the converted one look fine on your computer, and only looks off there, it might be the files is to big and your photo got crunch.

I do not know acdsee so I really can not comment on how it is processing the photo.
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Images look not too bad to me but it appears that these images were uploaded to the Steves server for display rather than linked via a 3rd party site like Smugmug, Zenfolio, Flickr, etc etc. I can't see any EXIF information off them what so ever so there is no way to tell the camera settings or what colour space is embedded into the image.

I also use ACDSee Pro for post processing, now ver 6.0, from RAW's. Under the "Develop Tools" I have it configured it to use the Output Color Space of "sRGB IEC61966-2.1". This is standard as most web sites only accept sRGB uploads. You may want to check what you are outputting to.

I suspect Steve's is not handling your file properly possibly due the file is not tagged to sRGB or AdobeRGB, or.... because the original was very large, it is resizing it for display and not doing a good job of it.

Also, if you are using a sRGB gamut monitor and you have am image saved in the AdobeRGB space and your browser misinterprets the color space, it can result in a dark, flat, image appearance.
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Images look not too bad to me but it appears that these images were uploaded to the Steves server for display rather than linked via a 3rd party site like Smugmug, Zenfolio, Flickr, etc etc. I can't see any EXIF information off them what so ever so there is no way to tell the camera settings or what colour space is embedded into the image.

I also use ACDSee Pro for post processing, now ver 6.0, from RAW's. Under the "Develop Tools" I have it configured it to use the Output Color Space of "sRGB IEC61966-2.1". This is standard as most web sites only accept sRGB uploads. You may want to check what you are outputting to.

I suspect Steve's is not handling your file properly possibly due the file is not tagged to sRGB or AdobeRGB, or.... because the original was very large, it is resizing it for display and not doing a good job of it.

Also, if you are using a sRGB gamut monitor and you have am image saved in the AdobeRGB space and your browser misinterprets the color space, it can result in a dark, flat, image appearance.
Thanks so very much for yor reply. The images are stored on my computer and not in any third party sites. Would that make that much of a difference. I use ACDSee Pro 5 and and the output colour space was not set to sRGB it is now. Do you think that that's the reason why the photos look the way they do?
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I'm not sure exactly what is happening with what you are seeing but you can experiment and check a few things out.

First, I'd try looking at the images with different web browsers. FireFox is the best web browser for viewing images due it is fully "color managed". Safari is the equal of it or a close second. The latest IE9 is OK in most circumstances but it not fully color managed and so can be fooled at times. Chrome is hit and miss. The better web browsers will use the color space tag in the image to correct the colors in conjunction with your monitors' ICC color profile. The lesser browsers will guess and when they guess wrong you get something like the dull looking example from page 4 of the link below.

Here's some links re color management that may help to clarify some of the issues. This normally is not an issue for 90% or more of people due they edit sRGB JPEG's and view them on sRGB monitors. But in the last few years more people have started post processing from RAW images where the editing software's native colour space is either AdobeRGB (wide, PhotoShop CS3/4/5/6) or ProPhotoRGB (very wide, Lightroom). Also, we've seen more wide gamut monitors come into the marketplace at a price point that people will readily buy at without considering what they are buying.

http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_...profiles.html#

http://www.gballard.net/photoshop/srgb_wide_gamut.html

http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/25/...color-managed/

http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter

http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter
- not a document I value other than the exaggerated examples shown on page 4; note the dull dark sample.


As to uploading to Steve's versus linking from another online photo site, you can test this easy enough. Smugmug, Zenfolio, and Flickr are all very popular for hosting images. Of the three I think Flickr does the worst job of ease of use and quality of smaller re-sized images but it does have a limited free version you can test out. Or do a trial of Smugmug or Zenfolio. I've been a Smugmug user for 8 years.

http://www.smugmug.com/
http://www.zenfolio.com/
http://www.flickr.com/


Dropbox might be a good first start as it is free for small personal users, gives 2G of storage to start, and is reasonably easy to use. I've been using it for business purposes for a year or two but my latest smartphone (as of a month ago) came with it and when it takes a picture it auto uploads to my Dropbox once enabled.

https://www.dropbox.com/

You have to install the Dropbox software on your PC/Mac. It will stay resident in the background. When you need to upload a file you, in a WinOS, click on the task bar icon and the Dropbox folders will open in a window. There may be several preconfigured private folders but also a "Public" folder. You copy the image you want to link to the Public folder. Don't drag and drop because you will move the image from its' original folder to the Dropbox folder as I learned the hard way. Copy it! Then you select and hi-lite the file you want to link to and right mouse click. You'll see a pop up menu with a Dropbox option - open it and then you'll see "Copy Public Link". Click it and then use that link to past into a Steve's post. If you use the Dropbox "Share It" option, it will require the recipient have a Dropbox account.

Here's an example of a Dropbox Public link.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/52803645/DS...2_1280x800.jpg


and using the same link URL with [Ximg][/imgX] HTML tags (where I have stuck an "X" in the tags to stop them from being live) as in

[Ximg]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/52803645/DSC07805_c_X2_1280x800.jpg[/imgX]


As I have ACDSee Pro6 configured to save the EXIF info even when I resize the image, if you have a EXIF plugin in your browser you should be able to use it with this image. I use FxIF with FireFox. FxIF reports the following.

Camera Maker: SONY
Camera Model: DSLR-A700
Image Date: 2012-09-29 12:41:35 (no TZ)
Focal Length: 280mm (35mm equivalent: 420mm)
Aperture: f/8.0
Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: +0.70 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Manual
Light Source: Daylight
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB
GPS Coordinate: undefined, undefined
Caption: F-7F Tigercat "Bad Kitty" at FHC Paine Field
Software: ACDSee Pro 6





and linking from my Smugmug account should give an image that looks almost identical (the Dropbox version may not be as sharp - a quick resize, less PP)


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Thank you for going above and beyond. Your comments and suggestions are very much appreciated.
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