Go Back   Steve's Digicams Forums > Digicam Help > Memory Cards, Microdrives, Card Readers

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old May 4, 2003, 9:47 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 5,803
Default

Thanks for that USB/FireWire compairson link. I know a fair amount about USB but not FireWire, so this was a good (and timely) read.

And thanks for the info about the PCMCIA readers. Sounds like the frustration factor won't be worth it and I'll just have to suck up and deal with the extra box on the desktop..... humm, maybe I can mount it on the underside of my desk....

Eric
eric s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2003, 9:51 AM   #12
NHL
Senior Member
 
NHL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 39.18776, -77.311353333333
Posts: 11,547
Default

Do you still use that floppy, or is it just for look? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote:
The Kanguru Solutions 6-in-1 Internal Card Reader utilizes Compact Flash Cards, SmartMedia, MultiMedia Cards, Secure Digital, Sony Memory Stick and the IBM Micro Drive. For convenience it can fit in either a 3.5" or 5.25" bay in your computer.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...p?sku=I46-1498


... and here's one with a Firewire interface (alas not a Firewire reader though)!
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?sku=A128-2000
NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2003, 10:57 AM   #13
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,139
Default

Quote:
If so, then I'll stick with the firewire or USB2 drive. Pity, 'cause I'd rather not have another thing on my desk, but it doesn't sound worth the hassle. My bet is that USB2 has a longer future, even if firewire is faster (not by spec, I mean in actual use!)
Problems have begun to appear with USB2 enabled card readers which involve the very thing which makes USB2 slower in throughput to firewire. Firewire throughput is very consistent. USB2 seems to work in bursts, sometimes with periods of apparent inactivity. When copying files from the card to the hard disk, corruption sometimes occurs for reasons not well understood, but apparently related to these periods of relative inactivity. For this reason, I stay with firewire.

My own personal choice of card readers is the Addonics unit which comes in either firewire (my choice) or either USB configuration. The Addonics firewire unit is relatively expensive at an MSRP of about $89 (US), but is extremely flexible allowing CF types I & II (including MicroDrive), SmartMedia, MemoryStick, MultiMedia and SecureDigital without adapters. It derives it's power from either the firewire port, or when a four wire system without power is used as on some notebook systems, a provided "Y" connect takes power from the USB port. The USB unit is much less.

The physical device is quite compact and very light and will fit in your shirt pocket. It's about three inches by 5 inches by 3/4 to 1 inch (not symmetrical in shape) and allows one to copy from one media format to the other. Two types of media may be resident at one time. Here's a link to check it out:

http://www.addonics.com

Lin
Lin Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2003, 11:32 AM   #14
NHL
Senior Member
 
NHL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 39.18776, -77.311353333333
Posts: 11,547
Default

Eric

Actually Lin's link has exactly what you wanted in the 1st placed (they faked the BIOS into thinking it's a Zip drive):

Quote:
Key Features

* IDE connection
* Fits standard 3.5" drive bay
* Complete Plug and Play
* Read and write to PCMCIA hard drive, ATA Flash.
* Read and write to CF-I, CF-II, Smart Mediaô, Memory Stickô, Micro Driveô, Multimedia Cardô, Secure Digital Cardô using optional Flash adapter, XD with optional XD PCMCIA adapter.
* Bootable from ATA Flash, Compact Flash and Smart Media
* Up to 16 MB/sec data transfer (depending on the type of media)

The Ultra DigiDrive can be a 10-in-1 DigiDrive - read/write to 10 different types of media
(with the optional CF DigiAdapters and 4-in-1 DigiAdapter). You also has a choice of ivory or black color front bezel to meet the color of your computer.
http://www.addonics.com/products/fla..._digidrive.asp

... I think I'm going to get one myself (~$41)!
http://www.provantage.com/buy-220719...e-shopping.htm

Thank Lin
NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 4, 2003, 11:11 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 5,803
Default

A perfect example of why I post things here! Thanks Lin and NHL. Very useful links and info.

Lin
I had seen some rumblings about USB corruption, but hadn't seen it attributed yet. Very interesting indeed. I wonder if this isn't getting worse because CF is getting faster... and the higher speeds accentuate the problem.

NHL
I agree, that link does look like what I wanted. Iíll be very interested in your success with it if you get one. The one you are looking at ($41USD) doesnít include any of the adapters, but I assume I could just pick up a standard CF -> PCMCIA adapter like this:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh3.sph/...ID=F52E9A62A40

(this is one of the cheaper ones I saw at B&H.) Their price of $50 for the two adapters isnít that bad, when compared to the equivalent things at B&H. Now I just have to decide if I want to give up a future hard disk for this (Iíve already got 1 HD, a CD-RW and separate DVD.) I didnít mind loosing a floppy drive for it, but a disk drive is another matter. And yes, I do still use my floppy drive. Iíve had nothing but trouble networking a Win98SE and WinXP system together. On a good day I can see a network share from one to the otherÖ but not always, and I donít remember which way it goes. So a floppy disk is easierÖ if the drives werenít out of sync speed wise! And yes, Iíve used the secret voodoo to get netBEUI working on WinXPÖ MS should be shot for that little unsupported trick. No, they don't use their monopoly to force people to upgrade... they would never stoop that low. :evil:

HumÖ now Iíll have to thing about either the FireWire one Lin suggests or going with the trickier but probably faster IDE solution which also means less clutter on my desk.
eric s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 5, 2003, 5:38 AM   #16
NHL
Senior Member
 
NHL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 39.18776, -77.311353333333
Posts: 11,547
Default

Quote:
... Now I just have to decide if I want to give up a future hard disk for this (Iíve already got 1 HD, a CD-RW and separate DVD.) I didnít mind loosing a floppy drive for it, but a disk drive is another matter.
This shouldn't be a problem, in fact I use theses trays for my Zip/Jaz drives (or backup hardisks)... :lol:
http://www.randtel.com/vipower/super-rack.html
http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buye...obile_rack_ide

On another note, not all CF adapters are alike, I need a special one for my microdrive from IBM or RadioShack, a plain type I will not work because of the thickness (and also the retracting sleeve for the exposed pins)! 8)
http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/v...t=7130&start=0
NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 6, 2003, 9:05 AM   #17
NHL
Senior Member
 
NHL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 39.18776, -77.311353333333
Posts: 11,547
Default

Eric

Remember the TI device that we discussed? Check this out: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030506/datu004_1.html

Everything but a kitchen sink! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote:
The new device integrates: two CardBus sockets, each of which supports a Smartcard for security and e-commerce applications; two Flash media sockets that accommodate multiple popular formats; and two FireWire ports to connect FireWire devices -- such as digital still cameras, digital camcorders or MP3 players -- to the computer for fast multimedia downloads/uploads.
NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 6, 2003, 4:11 PM   #18
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 95
Default

I've got a PCMCIA reader in my desktop. Very handy. I don't think it's much faster than some of the new USB card readers, it's just a lot more convenient with less clutter around the computer.

I use Memory Sticks or Compact Flash, so I have those adaptors to plug into the PCMCIA slots.

Microtech makes one called the SwapBox that has the PCI interface. (They make lots of others.)

http://www.microtechint.com/qs-pcireader.html

This is available from Tiger Direct and others, I think. Only comes in white, but I used vinyl dye to change mine to black and it looks great in the aluminum case! ;-)

There are two large ribbon cables that extend from the 3.5" bay to the PCI card that comes with it. No interrupt problems.
reader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 6, 2003, 8:35 PM   #19
NHL
Senior Member
 
NHL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 39.18776, -77.311353333333
Posts: 11,547
Default

Well I received the Addonics IDE Ultra Digidrive today... Bios detected it as a Zip drive, but it showed up as another hardisk, and not a Zip drive icon. It plugs and play allright...

... The only problem though is this device is terribly slow!!! I timed a 112Mb file write to a 1G microdrive, and it took 8m15s . Nowhere near the advertised speed, the Zip drive super floppy is much faster than this let alone a microdrive ops:!

Not recommended @ all :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:.
NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 6, 2003, 11:50 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 5,803
Default

NHL,

I'm sorry to hear its so slow. That is really shocking. My first thought was that the zip driver was getting in the way. Have you checked to make sure that PIO mode 4 was enabled? Your stats are truly amazingly bad. Wow. I'd be inclined to call for tech support. That should have been hard disk to hard disk speeds... 8+ minutes is really quite bad.

That new TI controller sounds interesting. UltraMedia is a bit of a cheezy name, but it does sound like it will cut costs substantially. Always like that. TI makes good stuff.

reader

Part of my goal was to avoid having to add the PCI card to my system. This is interesting, but not *exactly* what I wanted (then again, what is?) From what I understand, if you hook it directly into the EIDE bus, it should be *much* faster than USB or firewire or PCI card-based readers. The PCI bus is only 33Mhz, after all (but I bet the better win is in the bus mastering and improved protocol.) At least, every thing I read seems to say that a laptop's PCMCIA port reads CF or MicroDrives faster than anything else. So I wondered if I could duplicate it on my desktop (and save desk space at the same time.)

I'll have to look up that product, though. Good to know about.
eric s is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 7:22 PM.