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Old Sep 30, 2002, 12:34 PM   #1
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Hi all,

I'm just starting to look at digital cameras from an owners standpoint. I have used various different ones where I work, and have also been using a very decent 35mm in the near past.

I've been looking at the Nikkon 5000&5700 as well as the Minolta Dimage 7&7i (I know the hi is out but am unsure if it's worth it); and am wondering what people think about these different cams, and which one is better????

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Old Sep 30, 2002, 12:40 PM   #2
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You can browse a lot of posts and see the debates among those cameras and we each have out own choices. A better question is what is your experience in photography? What kind of a camera are you using now? Do you want something simple to use or something that will give you greater flexibility and capability even if it takes more effort to learn to use it well?
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I'm looking for a camera that is going to give me the most bang for my buck. Ease of use is not an issue (am a techno geek), however quality is.
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Cost and features wise the D7i will beat the 5700 hand down; However...

Look and feel as well as brand cachet of the Nikon is hard to beat!

... and then there are the differences:
- wider or longer zoom
- manual vs powered adjustments
- silver vs black
- LCD's: do you shoot like an SLR or like a videocam?

Search both the Nikon & Minolta threads. Each camp will defend their camera choice... It's really what you think is better!

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Old Sep 30, 2002, 5:50 PM   #5
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why not go to a store and hold each one and look at the actual features and feel of each one. Then you will buy the dimage 7i or 7Hi as i did. Believe touching, using and seeing is worth more than any words on the net.
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Old Sep 30, 2002, 10:04 PM   #6
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Nochor,

Won't try to influence you, but like to give my inputs to complements people's ones:
- For the ergonomics: must try all these cams
- For focus ability in low light : I tried the CP5K versus D7 ( original v121u, not upgraded ) , D7 beat the CP5K far away, even at indoor "normal" lighting , D7UG and D7i/D7Hi than are even better ( this is my experience, others could say just the opposite)
- Swivel LCD: just Nikon offer it
- Wide angle zoom: just the D7 family give you that 28mm, without add on lens
- Electric versus manual zoom: I guess you prefer manual zoom (?)

- Noise : Are you aware of those famous discussions about noise on D7xx ?
these are interesting to read:
http://www.stevesforums.com/forum/vi...13118#pid13118
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read....essage=3380675

- Color : you know about the particularity of D7 about color space stuff ? with D7i and D7Hi, it's closer to sRGB color ( no need to use DIVU)
Anyway, if you are a "Nikon color veteran" ( who likes more saturate color and red tendency) , you will like more the Nikon "canned" output ( as NHL said)
I am myself a Nikon color veteran, but I choose D7 (and D7i) b/c of other reasons.


When I compared CP5K and D7 ( same price at the time I bought ) , I choose the D7 mainly for wide 28mm, manual zoom, and especially incredible low light AF ability. I have a D7i now.
Though I miss the swivel LCD ( I am so used to it with my CP950)

And, if by chance you are wondering between D7(even 2.0 Upgraded) and D7i , I recommend highly the D7i .

Just bring your CF card and try them at stores , you then judge on your shots afterward ?

Happy shopping!
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My vote is for the D7i/Hi as well and I'm eager to look at a D7Hi ( I have an original D7 with upgrade) but caveat emptor. It's one thing to be a techno geek but until you become well versed in photography theory and technique a lot of the ability of the D7 may be lost on you. For example you may find manual zoom to to be annoying rather than a positive feature that gives you more control.

I caution you about looking at the camera in the store. Unless you you have a frame of reference and know the details of both cameras the "feel" won't tell you as much as you think.

At the end of the day I still think the D7 is the poor man's "wannabe DLSR" and gives the most bang for my buck.
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Come to think of it, most folks here that bought all versions of the D7 has owned the CP990 series before when they shopped for their 5MPixels cameras... (excellent camera for its time BTW, but I guess we're not that brand loyal after all).

Here's what you'll miss if you pick the Minolta:
- BSS
- 3:2 mode
- Swinging LCD

... and what you'll miss if you go for the Nikon:
- WYSIWYG
- Direct Manual Focus
- Real-time histogram, grid and scale
- Flex Focus AF anywhere on the screen!
- Auto switching LCD/EVF @ eye-level
- B/W EVF boost in total darkness
- Wireless muti-units flashes
- Built-in Intervalometer
- Standard AA batteries

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adding to the list of missing items if you go to the 5700 instead of the 7Hi

choice of colorspace srgb/adobe rgb
xtra fine mode- lower compression lossless mode 2.5:1

7ug/7i/7hi
faster focus especially in low light
threaded front end for filters
lower overall cost for equivelent usage.

adding to the what you'll miss on the D series

optional vertical release on a $150 accessory grip. unfortunately i would like to have that but not at that cost on my D7hi.

yes, i am a former 950/990 owner too.




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OK, just for fun... Thoses with the D7i, what shutter sound did everyone program their camera to? Electronic or mechanical sound?

... or leave the darn thing OFF?
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