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Old Jul 5, 2008, 12:11 PM   #1
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I have been interested in photography since I got my first Coolpix camera. I started taking photos and since then, I wanted a DSLR. So, I started saving money and reading books and magazines in the meantime, to learn as much as I could before I even got one. I decided on a Nikon D80. After shopping around, I found some camera/lens packages I could get. Now my composition would be some landscape, portraits (like of family and stuff at parties), and some action shots. Nothing too specific, but I want the right lens so that I can get an all-around use out of my camera. Here are the packages I can afford:

The Nikon D80 (of course) with:

Nikkor 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6G AF AND
Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6G AF


Nikkor 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 AF


Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D AF AND
Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6G AF


Nikkor 18-55mm VR f/3.5-5.6 AF AND
Nikkor 55-200mm VR f/4.0-5.6G AF


Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S AND
Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6G AF


Each package comes with a Camera Case, 2 GB SD card (which I will buy a better one later), a lens cleaning kit, lens cap keeper, and a "full size tripod."

I am replacing that tripod with a Bogen-Manfrotto 055XPROB tripod and a 486RC2 Ball Head. I also plan on getting a Nikon ML-L3 remote.

I have that stuff decided on, but I still don't know which lens package I should get? Any suggestions please.
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Old Jul 5, 2008, 12:17 PM   #2
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Moderator, I am sorry. I have posted this in the wrong topic area. I meant to have in under the Nikon DSLR or the Nikon Lenses topic area. Sorry for this. I am new to the site. If you could please move this topic, I would appreciate it.
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Old Jul 5, 2008, 12:30 PM   #3
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Done.

Are those packages discounted in some way, or did you bundle them that way yourself?

If I were going to shoot with Nikon, I'd probably lean towards the 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 as a walk around lens. It's a bit brighter than the others, has a more usable range, and has a good reputation for optical quality with lower CA compared to similar zooms.


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Old Jul 5, 2008, 12:38 PM   #4
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Make sure you're buying from a reputable dealer. Chances are, the extras are virtually worthless, and added showing inflated retail prices just to make the bundle look better. Ebay vendors tend to put together bundles like that, and the cameras are often gray market with a store warranty versus a Nikon USA warranty, with misleading wording like USA Warranty (when they still don't mean a Nikon USA manufacturer's warranty).

If it's gray market (not intended for sale in the U.S., and Nikon USA will know by the serial number), Nikon USA will usually refuse to service it, even if you are willing to pay for the service.

Nikon Canada has the same policy (they will refuse to service a Nikon camera unless it was intended for sale in Canada and purchased through an authorized Nikon Canada dealer, even if you are willing to pay them for the service).

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Old Jul 5, 2008, 1:09 PM   #5
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Here is the website...

http://soniccameras.com/catalog/inde...1ba1cc567ed36c

That is where I was looking at the cameras...The prices were really cheap and affordable. I figured it might be too good to be true though. I know that the extras are garbage...not really worth anything. But I was just more interest in the camera and the lens. What do you think of this website and dealing with it?


If not a good dealer, can you suggest a dealer?
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Old Jul 5, 2008, 1:11 PM   #6
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Scroll down and you'll see the customer reviews.

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sonic_Cameras


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If a price looks too good to be true...

Stick with reputable vendors. Don't fall for the low advertised prices.

There are lots of scammers around with nice looking web sites with nice logos, etc. Most are located in the Brooklyn area, where they seem to be able to get away with it.

When you see prices that are lower than you find at http://www.buydig.com or http://www.bhphotovideo.com (both reputable dealers) on Nikon gear, there is usually going to be a catch. ;-)

The scammers will call you to confirm the order. Then, you'll also find out that they'll want to sell you high priced batteries, extended warranties, stuff that normally comes with the camera anyway, want to include inflated shipping and insurance charges (sometimes unauthorized). Anything to increase their profit (since they can't sell the camera alone at the advertised prices without losing money).

If you don't buy enough of the outrageously priced extras, your camera will suddenly go to backorder status (of course, the web sites still show them in stock and your credit card has been charged). They'll often sell gray market gear, too (not intended for sale in the country you live in with a store versus manufacturers warranty).

This has been going on for years. It's a racket.

Do yourself a favor and stick with a reputable dealer.

Make sure to check out any vendor you consider using http://www.resellerratings.com
(they're a bit better about filtering out fake vendor reviews compared to most)

If they are not listed, avoid them (these guys tend to start up new web sites often under a variety of names). If they have a small number of customer reviews there, avoid them (they tend to try and get away with padding their own ratings with glowing reviews). Some even seem to have their own ratings sites now (with all of the stores listed being same old scammers, with the reviews unbelievably good).

Suggested Reading:

How to buy a Digital Camera without being robbed
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...can you suggest a dealer?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com (D80 body only is $729.95 now)

http://www.buydig.com

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Old Jul 5, 2008, 1:33 PM   #9
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Wow thank you so much. I wouldve been scammed definately. I know from now on to check out sellers. It sounded so good though. I wish the prices were that low.
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Old Jul 5, 2008, 5:52 PM   #10
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Ok so now that the D80 is a little bit more expensive for me...should I keep saving money and get that...or get the D60? I have read many reviews and comparisons where people have said that the D80 was a better camera. Better metering, top LCD display, more lens compatibility (which I will be buying brand new lenses since I am new to photography, so that doesn't really matter to me) but lacks the dust reduction system the D60 offers. I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

Also, does the D60 have the 11 area Auto Focus that the D80 has?
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