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Old Oct 29, 2012, 10:25 AM   #41
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How would the D600 be with the Nikon 70-200 VR-I? I, too, am considering going FF, but for the cost of a D600 with zero lens, I can get a D7000 plus a Nikon 17-55 and get the best possible DX setup. I do have the 70-200 VR-I. I'm selling a 80-200 f/2.8 (ironically?).

I'm a regular contributor to a quarterly glossy music magazine. It gets me photo passes into some of the big venues. Ironically, in the big venues, there is plenty of light, and ISO400-800 is typical. So I don't necessarily need the low ISO performance of the D600. However, occasionally, I shoot the small venues, and for those, yes, shooting at 6400 would be nice.

I've been published using a D7000 and the 70-200 VR-I, and I've been using a D90 for the second body. I'm selling that and trying to decide which way to go: 2 D7000's paired with the 70-200 and a Nikon 17-55 or pair a D600 with the 70-200 VR-I and my existing D7000 with my existing Tamron 17-50 (non VC, non-internal motor). (Prime lenses are not an option; at concerts I need to be able to zoom.)

I have yet to get a usable magazine photo from my D90/Tamron 17-50 pairing. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, but compared to the D7000/70-200, the photos are unusable -- just not sharp. Thus my desire to sell the D90, the 80-200, and the Tamron, and buy... something.

Yes, I know the D600 is better than the D7000. But at ISO800, how much better? They say "invest in good glass".

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Old Oct 31, 2012, 7:01 AM   #42
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Hi,
Interesting that you & I have essentially the same equipment. I have used and loved the D7000 + 70-200mmVRI combo for the last year. I also use the Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 lens - old style without VR or motor. Prior to the D7000, I owned the D90.

While I very much like the results I'm getting from the 70-200mm VRI, the images, taken in low light, with the Tamron 17-50mm can be a problem. A couple of weeks ago I was in Manhattan. I visited and took a lot of images at the Riverside Cathedral and ST. John's the Divine Cathedral . It was a low light no flash situation requiring ISO settings of 1600 minimum and many at 6400.
When I got home to review the images, I quickly found out that the degree of noise was simply unacceptable.

I have been looking at upgrading to the D600, primarily for these types of situations. The other benefit of using a full frame sensor is the improved depth of field control.

Based on some of the recent posts by Digme showing high ISO images,
reinforces in my mind that the D600 is the right upgrade path for me.
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zig - it is really amazing, my friend. Keep in mind that it's always best to overexpose a little when there is a lot of darkness/shadow. Even with a camera that does well at high ISO. With the D5000 (same sensor as the D90 and D300) I would always work as hard as possible to not take it over 800ISO and hopefully 400 ISO. Now I don't think twice about cranking it up.

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I took this one yesterday morning as I arrived to work. I take my camera with me every day. When I saw the planet or star still shining plus the sunrise I had to shoot it! Handheld 1600 ISO, 1/30. This was actually a quick stitch job of a few shots that were taken in portrait oritentation.

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Here are some other pics that I've taken with the D600 recently:
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pe...ml#post1324605

I've been using the 35mm 1.8 DX lens on it in addition to my 70-200 VRII. It doesn't vignette too badly wide open.

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This was actually a quick stitch job of a few shots that were taken in portrait oritentation.
Sorry, what do you mean by "stitch job"? HDR? Or side-by-side? This photo is beautiful.
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Interesting that you & I have essentially the same equipment. I have used and loved the D7000 + 70-200mmVRI combo for the last year. I also use the Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 lens - old style without VR or motor. Prior to the D7000, I owned the D90.
Interesting indeed. I wonder how the VR-I will work on the D600.

I think I was hoping for some professional to jump in and tell me the incremental advantage of the D600 is not worth the extra money, given that the mantra is *almost* always buy good glass before a new body, and given that I don't get paid. Again, for the price of the D600, you can get a D7000 and a Nikon 17-55 and get about the best possible DX setup.

It's always easy to get camera envy. I'm still on the fence. The D7000 is a D300s with a better sensor but fewer external controls. Plenty of people make a living shooting with a D300s. My photos have been published, even when I used the D90 and a 80-200. Will they be THAT much better with the D600 at ISO400 when I shoot at a venue with lots of light? I think that's the key question.

I'm thinking about renting the D600 for shoot and just see for myself.

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Sorry, what do you mean by "stitch job"? HDR? Or side-by-side? This photo is beautiful.
Thanks! Yes I mean I took several photos in portrait orientation across the scene and then stitched them together. I typically use Photoshop elements to automatically do the stitching for me but I was at work so I used Windows ICE (image composite editor or something like that) which is a free download. I used portrait orientation because the widest lens I had was my 35mm 1.8 DX and I wanted to include both the horizon and the star up in the darker part of the sky.

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Will they be THAT much better with the D600 at ISO400 when I shoot at a venue with lots of light? I think that's the key question.
Probably not at 400 ISO though I do love the color rendition of the D600 and the sensor did just test as having the 3rd highest image quality ever at DxO Mark!

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This is really the best solution. Only you trying it yourself can truly answer this question for you.

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Probably not at 400 ISO though I do love the color rendition of the D600 and the sensor did just test as having the 3rd highest image quality ever at DxO Mark!
Sure, but the D7000 has comparable ratings to the Canon 5D Mks II and III. Do I REALLY need a better sensor than that? Just because "it's there"?

I guess I need to see for myself.

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Sure, but the D7000 has comparable ratings to the Canon 5D Mks II and III. Do I REALLY need a better sensor than that? Just because "it's there"?

I guess I need to see for myself.

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You definitely don't "need" a better sensor than what you have unless your main shooting is in low-light demanding high ISO.

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