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Old Nov 3, 2012, 3:00 AM   #51
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Interesting that you & I have essentially the same equipment. I have used and loved the D7000 + 70-200mmVRI combo for the last year. I also use the Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 lens - old style without VR or motor. Prior to the D7000, I owned the D90.

While I very much like the results I'm getting from the 70-200mm VRI, the images, taken in low light, with the Tamron 17-50mm can be a problem. A couple of weeks ago I was in Manhattan. I visited and took a lot of images at the Riverside Cathedral and ST. John's the Divine Cathedral . It was a low light no flash situation requiring ISO settings of 1600 minimum and many at 6400.
When I got home to review the images, I quickly found out that the degree of noise was simply unacceptable.

I have been looking at upgrading to the D600, primarily for these types of situations. The other benefit of using a full frame sensor is the improved depth of field control.

Based on some of the recent posts by Digme showing high ISO images,
reinforces in my mind that the D600 is the right upgrade path for me.
Zig, Next time you're inside a place like that (cathedral), you would benefit from a prime 1.8 or 1.4 lens - you might be surprised how much difference that extra stop/stop and a half makes in low light, so maybe invest a couple hundred bucks on a used 50 1.4 (I forget offhand what they go for used on ebay).

Check out the sports thread on 'gymnastics' as I posted a heavily cropped shot from a recent meet. I explain my settings in the post. I have read at this forum that it may help to turn off high dynamic range when shooting higher ISOs to keep noise down, but I forgot to try that.

I jumped from the D90 to the D600. I love full-frame and I have no plans on going back to smaller sensor. I just picked up a used full-frame 'walk-around' nikkor 28-105 3.5-4.5 off ebay.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 1:03 AM   #52
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Some real interesting comments and a few great pics in this discussion...

I've had my D600 for about 6 or 7 weeks now and things are progressing nicely. I am now getting some great pics from it, athough I was somewhat confused at some of the initial results I got which I thought weren't much better than the D300 that I had and I still have. As soon as I stopped thinking in "D300" mode, I began to properly experiment with the D600's own settings and now am more or less quite happy and am seeing some of what it is truly capable of...

The other day I took both cameras out and used them side by side and it has finally dawned upon me that the D600 is definitely a peg or three above the D300 in picture quality and in so many other ways, and, that I am finally almost used to the D600 and its settings and setup,, so much so that now I find myself trying to remember how to set the D300 when chaging settings.

Initially, I found many of the button placements were confusing and this was probably my worst struggle, sometimes making adjustments by prressing what I thought was one button, as on the D300, and finding I had done something else because that button I just pushed was NOT what I thought it was. Now it's just par for the course and I find myself doing things by habbit - the right habbit of course...

I am now almost 100% sure that the D600 is certainly a significant enough jump upwards from many models below it on the Nikon hierarchical ladder, so as to be able to justify many who are wondering whether they should take the plunge, to actually plunge away. I doubt if you will regret it...

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Old Nov 9, 2012, 10:35 PM   #53
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Had my D600 lock up on me the other day; using a 28-105 nikkor 3.5-4.5 D lens I picked up via ebay. I'm wondering if the connectors/contacts need cleaned, and what is the best way to clean them. After removing the lens and putting it back on the D600 carefully, then the camera was fine, so speculating also that 'older' lenses may not be as compatible as claimed, the contacts appear to be clean. I can slap on a newer lens such as the Sigma 17-50 2.8 DX, 55-300 DX or an 85 1.8 D that I bought new, and the camera fires every time.

My old Sigma 70-200 that works fine on my D90 sometimes locks up on the D600. So also wondering if my D600 is buggy and needs replaced.


ALSO read that a firmware update for the D600 is imminent - mostly to do with aperture change ability in video mode.
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3200ISO, 640th sec. at 1.8 on 85 1.8 D lens, jpeg, about 65% of image cropped off, and picture downsized for posting here.

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Frank, you're killing me with wonderful examples of the capabilities of the D600

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Zig, I'll stop if you give me your nikkor 70-200 VR lens
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Zig, I'll stop if you give me your nikkor 70-200 VR lens
Now THAT would kill me......
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The other thing I'm discovering is depth of field is less, have to be more particular with focus and f-stop.
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Yup. I was a little nervous about that aspect of it but I've adapted a lot easier than I thought I would just as I've easily adapted to the smaller focus area. BTW, to clean the lens contacts rub them with a clean pencil eraser.

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Yup. I was a little nervous about that aspect of it but I've adapted a lot easier than I thought I would just as I've easily adapted to the smaller focus area. BTW, to clean the lens contacts rub them with a clean pencil eraser.

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Thanks Brad.


I'm also wondering if the older AF lenses won't lock up if I keep the autofocus to single point focus for example, will have to do some trial and error checking. the lens takes some nice photos when it works.

photo: 1600 ISO, 1/80th of a second at f4 with 28-105 3.5-4.5 lens at 38mm, cropped and downsized so to not overwhelm the page. Original file was jpeg 'fine' at normal noise reduction settings.

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