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Old May 15, 2007, 5:51 AM   #11
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It's nice to see that someone criticizes without reading everything.... I said "Matt you don't give us your budget so it is very hard but basically a few to look at that cover a range of prices are:"

I didn't mention the 70-200 as with the 2x tc it is a little lacking compared to others. Not having used the 80-400 however someone I know who had didn't have problems with tracking fast moving subjects but can't say from personal experience.

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Old May 15, 2007, 6:48 AM   #12
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Would it be possible to either post or link me to pics taken with the Tamron 200-500 or any other super zoom lens? I have done some reasearch and there isnt much info or reviews out there much less a test shot I can see. I liked the F16 pic and Id like to see more and at what settings and sistance you were from the plane etc
Hello Matt - here are a couple of links providing more photo's with details.

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=37882

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=37819

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=37757

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=37714

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=37645

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=37577

It was my first time at an Airshow and I was standing somewhere between 50 & 100 meters from the runway. Only purchased the D50 a few days prior to the event.

Hope you like them.

Cheers - Herman
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Old May 16, 2007, 5:22 PM   #13
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It's nice to see that someone criticizes without reading everything.... I said "Matt you don't give us your budget so it is very hard but basically a few to look at that cover a range of prices are:"

I didn't mention the 70-200 as with the 2x tc it is a little lacking compared to others. Not having used the 80-400 however someone I know who had didn't have problems with tracking fast moving subjects but can't say from personal experience.
You will note that I specifically did NOT include the TC20E in my reply. I use the 200/400 with either of the otherteleconverters but experience showed that the TC20E was too slow to focus both on this lens and the 70/200 when motor racing. The TC20E loses two stops and frankly that is too much. Also, if you had any experience of this lens (200/400)you would have known that it is heavy, cumbersome and not a lens to use forflypasts; I use it on a monopod.What I found bizarre is that you included lenses which are really impossible to hand hold for the purpose given. Yes, no budget was given but weight must be taken into consideration when giving recommendations surely. If you use the equation of fast focus+weight you arrive at a certain conclusion, but it frankly cannot include some of the lenses you proposed. I've used virtually every Nikon telephoto on earth over 25 years and speak from hard earned experience as to what and what is not feasable given the certain usage of the lens. Yes, from a long way back (Monza for example) I've hired a 500, but mostly I restrict myself to the 70/200 and the 300 f2.8 because they are portable and usable in most instances, especially when hand held and fast moving objects are concerned. But for fast moving objects only the TC14E and the TC17E are really usable so I sold my TC20E. Sigma make damned fine lenses but as a professional I use only the actual branded lenses because my living depends on it, but I have tried other semi-professionals kit and for example found the Canon 35/300 actually a very usable lens even though it isn't really rated as a professional lens. I rest with my suggestions, but would also add the Sigma 120/300 f2.8 as an added string to his bow at the price range suggested.
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Old May 16, 2007, 10:00 PM   #14
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interesting info gents, I am going to rent the Tamron 200-500mm this weekend to test it. Nice to be able to do this before I commit to a purchase. I also will be trying the Nikon 70-200vr as well.

From reading what you have all posted I should get a lens that has the motor on board and not one that relies on the camera for adjustment. Other than that I will say this. Since this lens will take some complex shots for my limited exp I am willing to spend a bit mroe if neccesary to get quality glass

cameranserai - can you clarify to me what the tc20e means?
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Old May 20, 2007, 3:08 AM   #15
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The TC range are the add on lconverters for telephotos to extend the range. Each has a different number so the TC14E extends the range 40%, so a 70/200 lens becomes a 98/280 lens. The downside is that you lose a bit of resolution and you have less aperture to play with, since using the TC14E the maximum aperture reduces from f2.8 to f3.5 on my 70/200 f2.8 for example. It gets worse with the otheradapters losing 1.5 and 2 stops respectively the more you multiply. In my experience the TC range should only be used with the professional series lenses especially when photographing moving subjects. The consumer ranges just can't focus quickly enough at the best of times and with a converter on are useless.
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Old May 22, 2007, 3:46 AM   #16
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Thank you for the clarification sir, now I understand.

Well I ended up only using the 70-200mm vr 2.8 Nikon for the show and this is what I got:

http://forums.steves-digicams.com/fo...mp;forum_id=82

Please comment and any suggestions you can give are appreciated. I learned alot that day but I have a long way to go. All shots were at 2.8 and usually at 200mm since I was trying to grab them as they flew by.

I need to win the lottery so I can get a 500mm lens hehe


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Having looked at the photos I personally think you did damned well for the first effort, especially the F15 in the first shot showing the heat from the jets. IMHO you chose the best lens to rent for the job and all in all this lens will serve you extremely well over the years. Like I posted earlier, if you buy this lens and the TC14E or 17E you'll have enough to use for your purpose at a weight that is usable and at a speed more than adequate for the task. No need to go for a more expensive lens at all. At the riskof repeating myself, the 70/200 weighs in at roughly 3lbs but the 500mm an arm breaking 9lbs. Oh, and if you are in a crowd and pan and hit someone withit as you turn (I know, I've done it!) you will not be theirfavourite person.My advice now would be to go back to the shop and ask to try the lens in the shop with and without the TC converter so you can appreciate the difference - you'll be truly amazed and find that for a few ounces extra weight you'll be more than satisfied with the resulting magnification. Yes, this lens is more expensive but having tried it you quite frankly will never be satisfied with a lesser lens and anything else will be just wasted money. Best of luck.
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Old May 22, 2007, 7:55 PM   #18
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thank you for the suggestions and the encouragement. I will def look into this lens with a converter once the credit card has some room to breathe


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I currently shoot airshows and aviation as well assportswith a Nikon D80/D50 combo using the Nikon 70-300 AFS VR or older Nikon 70-210 f4 lenses.

There is no doubt that longer and faster is better for airshow photography. When weighing cost/performance,there is a trade off to be made in having a long focal length and the inevitable cost in weight and image quality at the long end of a long and slow lens.

IMHO for the money, the 70-300VR is a winner, it does an excellent job at 70-250even wide open and doesOK the rest of the way if you can use f10orhigherwith a good shutter speed.Thenext logicalstep up would be theNikon 70-200 AFS VR with a Nikon 1.4 -1.7 TC. This is considered by many to be the ideal combination of speed, price and reasonable focal length for distant fast action. TheSigma 50-500 "Bigma" is well regarded in aviation circles but is also known to be problematic in low light and poor contrast conditions.

Beyond that you end up ina whole different leaguewith outstanding but crazy-expensive lenses including the Nikon 300 f2.8 AFS VR prime, 400 f2.8 AFS II prime, 200-400 VR etc.

I have had good luck with both of my lenses andbeen published in several aviationmagazines. I just purchased the D80 and I am a very happythe initialshots withthat body.

Here are some examples of some of my shots with my new 70-300VR on the D50

http://aviationbuff.com/AT6top.jpg

http://aviationbuff.com/DSC_2357%208x6.jpg

http://aviationbuff.com/DSC_2369%208x6.jpg


http://aviationbuff.com/DSC_1612%208x6.jpg


And with the old 70-210f4

http://www.aviationbuff.com/DSC_9588%2010x7.jpg

http://aviationbuff.com/DSC_9200%2010x7.jpg

http://aviationbuff.com/DSC_3480%2010x7.jpg
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Old Jun 8, 2007, 10:42 PM   #20
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thank you kindly for your insight aviationbuff. Having Nikon lenses yourself the pics make more sense to me.

The pics you posted are simply superb, can I ask what setting you shot those at with the 70-300vr?

also wanted to know if the 70-300vr is the 4-5.6 model?
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