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Old Feb 5, 2008, 4:52 AM   #1
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Hello everyone. I'm new to the community and DSLRs in general. I'm planning on buying the D80 with the Nikkor 18-200mm lens. I do a lot of doll photography as well travel and outdoor photography and I was wondering if this lens would be suitable for that or if I should try to buy a second lens as well? I was looking at the 50mm and I would like something with a faster shutter speed for low and indoor lighting. Any recommendations or advice?

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Old Feb 5, 2008, 9:18 AM   #2
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The 50mm is great....fast and sharp and inexpensive. It's also my least used lens and rarely finds it's way on any of my cameras. It's a bit long for indoor use, and although it's nice to be able to shoot at f1.8, I find the DOF to be almost too thin, to use successfully. About the only thing I use it for is outdoor portraits, or during youth basketball games when I can get down on the sidelines.

Your 18-200 should cover most of your needs. Depending on your style, you may want to add a wider lens or a longer tele to complement your main lens. These options will obviously be more expensive then the 50mm. I would recommend using your 18-200 for a while...figure out where your coming up short, or what that lens can't do for you that you want it to do. Make your next lens purchase based on thos shortcomings.

I think your better off getting a flash first. the SB600 or Sb800 will do more to help your photography than another lens. The D80 can fire these flashes off camera wirelessly, allowing you to get more creative use out of your flash without the harsh flash look. This will allow you to use lower ISO's and ultimately get better image quality.
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Old Feb 6, 2008, 10:50 PM   #3
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Hey thanks so much for your feedback. I've read a lot about buying one lens at a time and so I think that would be my best bet for now, especially after all the things I've heard about the Nikkor 18-200 and your comment as well.

What are your thoughts on the Canon 500D close-up filter?

I really like this forum already--it seems a lot less elitist than some of the other dSLR forums I've found and everyone seems very friendly and helpful. :bye:
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Old Feb 7, 2008, 1:54 PM   #4
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You might want to arm yourself with a 24mm lens too. It has aperture of f2.8 but gives amazing results as it almost borders on being a wide angle lens, and being fixed focal, it will be better than 24mm in your 18-200mm. Among my lenses I have the 18-200VR, 50mm f1.8 and the 24mm. Although the 50mm really should be included in everyones kit (even just as a standardreference lens), its only limitation is field of view which is a little narrow because it is 50mm. I keep finding myself having to back up a little to fit it all in for the type of shot I wanted from this lens. That's why I bought the 24mm. What little you lose in aperture size, you can gain back in wider field of view which naturally needs a little less light to give a good picture. It will certainly give a better result than the 18-200VR set at 24mm, even with its VR.It seems to get mediocre reviews but I have only good thoughts on this lens.

As for flashes, I bought an SB600 - it was the first accessory I bought for my D80 and I guess it works well - to be honest, I am not that good with flashes,, but much later on, I bought an SB200 and even though this is a much lower ranked flash, I use it about 100 to 1 as apposed to the SB600. I look at the SB200 as my utility flash just like I look at the 18-200mmVR lens as my all-rounder lens. When I start to take more specialised shots, I use the SB600 and I start to pick and choose the lenses. The SB600 is much taller and gives out more flash so it can be put to a more specific task but the SB200 is the first one I go for when I go walkabouts. I guess if you have to watch your pennies, the SB600 although more expensive, is the better choice,, BUT,, don't give the SB200 the 'nose up in the air'treatment, as, for a small unit it has great potential.
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I wouldn't recommend the SB200 flash for general use. It's really no more powerful than the pop up flash. It's designed to be used with a controller unit mounted on the flash shoe while it sits on a ring on the lens. This flash is primarily used for macro work and generally will give excellent results. It's also not inexpensive when bought with the necessary controller for its intended use.

Prime lenses are great...they are fast and typically very sharp and lightweight. They are also very inconvenient. Zooms are much better in quality than they were several years ago, and offer more flexibility than primes. Aside from the 50, most primes cost as much as today's zooms ($200 plus) and you need 3 or more to cover the same focal range, making the overall cost more expensive. Then factor in changing lenses more, and carrying more lenses, I just don't find them very useful. I'm down to 2..the 50 and a 105 micro. The other primes I used to own were only marginally better in quality and redundant as my zooms covered all the ranges. When I go on a shoot, I'm not smart enough to plan which primes to bring with me, and always seemed to have the wrong lens on at the wrong time.
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I tend to agree with rjseeney as well, especially for doll photography, an SB200 would be too small plus it is intended to be used in multiples to cancel out each other shadows.

-> What you need is actually a more powerful flash so you can bounce or diffuse to decrease the flash harshness. Most folks who opt for the SB600 found out later that by the time they have to use a light modifier, such as a softbox, its output is no longer as adequate as a more powerful SB-800

BTW I also highly recommend the Metz 58AF-1: It works just like an SB-800 but is a dual-head unit instead. Plus in the wireless mode the master can be indepently controlled from the flash, unlike Nikon's SB-800, giving you effectively another channel to work with...

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/site/bius/pid/6780?detailPid=13490&actualPathCategoryKey=1CA T:AAA3:2CAT:BB44&kindOfProductCollectionReques t=productDetail&marketList=MARKET:MKT1|&pr oductCode=MZ%2058314N&productDescription=METZ% 2058%20AF-1N%20FOR%20NIKON&curBrandId=BMZ
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I have the 18-200VR on my D300.

I will be getting a back-upD300 ( no longer thinking about the d3 due to $ and discovery that DXO and D300 matches D3 output for people type shooting ).

Thought very long on what glass to put on my back-up d300.

My decision? I will get another 18-200VR to back up my body & lens.

I agree that the SB800 would be more important than another lens if you already own the 18-200VR that is.

I love my D300 and my 18-200 VR and my two SB800's.

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