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TheRayBan Apr 10, 2005 1:52 AM

Just curious, does anyone know what the cause is of the higher ISO noise problem.

Is it a design flaw or something that can be fixed with the proper firmware update (if Olympus should ever make such an update)?



neekak9 Apr 11, 2005 11:15 AM

I would love to know the same thing.

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steve Apr 11, 2005 4:39 PM

It isn't a "problem" it is just a fact of life with imagers in general. The signal to noise ratio is increased as the sensitivity is increased. The dSLR cameras with their much physically larger imagers handle higher ISO speeds better than the consumer digicams with their tiny imagers but they all suffer from the same physics.

And the same thing happens with film too - high speed film is much grainier than lower speed films.

There are a number of post-processing utilities that help you soften and eliminate the high ISO noise in digital images. See my Digicam Software page and check out NoiseNinja orNeatImage - I'm sure someone will also recommend others which I cannot remember at the moment.

Convoy Apr 11, 2005 9:49 PM

I dont see it as a problem, i just compere it, like Steve says with film, you go up in iso, you get more noise.

But as i have read, there are some who think Olympus is not applying any noise reduktion to the image from the cameras (E1, E300), like Canon, Nikon etc. because they will let the photographer to do the noise reduktion if he/she want to.

TheRayBan Apr 13, 2005 8:32 PM

Thank you Steve and Convoy for your help!


coastie Jun 15, 2005 7:25 PM

Now that you have mentioned the noise reduction software, how effectively does it work and is it stand alone or a plug-in for other programs such as photoshop?

Norm in Fujino Jun 17, 2005 3:36 AM

(I'm writing in red since the background of the reply box is black)

programs like Noise Ninja and Neatimage work very well, and provide a high degree of user-choice as to how much noise of what kind of noise you want to remove. I have Neatimage, and both free and $$$ versions work well. You can batch process a whole mess of files to remove noise, using either your own profiles or ones provided at the Neatimage site. It is an extra processing step, but it gives you more control over the work. I've shot quite a bit at ISO1600 with the E-300 and the images clean up very nicely. Depending on your final purposes and the lighting involved, you may not even need or want to use NR software.

(Why is it that the reply box is black, but even tho I input using red, it turns into white-on-black when I upload the message?)

JimC Jun 17, 2005 10:02 AM


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Norm in Fujino Jun 17, 2005 10:43 AM

Thanks, Jim. Now I can see ;)

janlef Jun 27, 2005 7:22 AM

The problem with the E300 is that the 4/3 standard is flowed by way smaller than APS sensor (twice smaller).
So Nikon and Canon rulz compared to Olympus DSLR.
It's normal to have same noise at 800 than 800 on Canon, provided you have same size photosites, but this is not the case. Canon's are twice bigger since for instance 350D and Olympus E300 have same 8M photosites.
Canon should have 1600 on par with Olympus but the noise isn't linear and it's even worse as photosites become smaller. So the rule is 800 ISO on E300 is the same as or more than 1600 on Canon. In fact the noise on Canon is then easier to remove as it is more uniform.

Olympus E300 sensor is nearer to that of current 8Mpix APN with 2/3 CCD, not even in between.

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