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Old Sep 15, 2010, 12:51 PM   #21
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I was pretty much shocked by Nikon's D7000 announcement - its feature set and pricing is going to be really hard to beat by any manufacturer, so imagine what the D400 will bring to the table when its released within the next 6-12 months ? The D7000's spec and pricing clearly show how uncompetitive the E5 is at release and it will compare even worse against the D400.

If the E5 is the last of the OVF FT cameras then Oly should have at least pushed it in terms of the technology they had available to them.. a last parting gift that was good enough to compete against the 7D/D400 for a year or two until they are ready to introduce a full EVF FT camera.

We all know that the ZD glass is second to none, esp the HG and SHG lenses and none of us want to have switch systems and have to start again. Greg's statement about the pain of switching systems is spot on - I can't even think about having to replace the 35-100f2 with something as good and the costs involved and hence why I'm going to wait and see what Pana do with GH2. I'd so love to get the 14-35F2 for the fashion shoots but that will simply not happen now and I think the writing was on the wall regards the system as a whole when the 100f2.8 macro was quietly dropped by Olympus. Compare that to Nikon/Sony/Canon/Pentax who all continue to introduce new or upgraded lenses, flashes etc.

Right now only Olympus really knows that they have in plan for the E-X system but its clear to me that its all trickle up from m43. I wonder if they really realised how much negativity this E5 was going to generate among their E-system users and whether they really care ?

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Old Sep 15, 2010, 12:56 PM   #22
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I'm not even sure Nikon has anything the calibre of those two lenses at an equivalent price. The 16-85 and latest, most advanced version of the 70-300 would be sufficient for what I would want to do. Of course, I'd also need to buy a flash.
I posted the following price comparison a year and a half ago. I don't think the conclusion is different today.

Oly: 300mm f/2.8 ED [600mm equiv.] - $5,900
Canon: EF 600mm f/4.0L IS Image Stabilizer - $7,000 (and f/4)
Nikon: AF-S Nikkor 600mm f/4D ED-IF II Autofocus Lens - $8,500 (and f/4)

Oly: 90-250mm f/2.8 ED [180 - 500mm equiv.] - $5,400
Canon: nada
Nikon: Zoom Nikkor 200-400mm f/4 G-AFS ED-IF VR (Vibration Reduction) - $5,000 (f/4 plus a smaller zoom range)

Oly: 150mm f/2.0 EP [300mm equiv.] - $2,200
Canon: EF 300mm f/2.8L IS Image Stabilizer - $3,900 (and f/2.8)
Nikon: AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/2.8G AF-S ED-IF VR (Vibration Reduction) - $4,300 (and f/2.8)


Oly: 35-100mm f/2.0 ED [70 - 200mm equiv.] - $2,200
Canon: EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS - $1,700 (and f/2.8)
Nikon: AF VR Zoom Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8D G-AFS ED-IF Autofocus Lens (Vibration Reduction) - $1,600 (but f/2.8)

Oly: 7-14mm f/4.0 ED [14 - 28mm equiv.] - $1,600
Canon: NO ZOOM, Super Wide Angle EF 14mm f/2.8L - $2,000
Nikon: AF-S Zoom Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8G ED AF - $1,600 (faster, but a smaller zoom range for the same price)
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I'm betting the $1,699 price tag of the E5 does not stay there, at least not here in the US, for very long.
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I'm betting the $1,699 price tag of the E5 does not stay there, at least not here in the US, for very long.
I don't know. One of the rumors Ive seen around the net is that the e-5 production output will be about 1/5 of the e-3 (3000 units per month vs 15000). And even if they cut it, will it matter? You can preorder the nikon right now for $100 bucks less than its list price.
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i think if your in the US and Japan, you;ll be lucky enough to see the E5 beign discounted after what 3-4 months. That simply won;t be the case in the UK .... the E1 saw a price drop in the Uk only after 3-3.5 years and the same has been with the E3. Until this week, the E3 was still retailing at nearly its MRP price on release - 1200.00, so nearly 3 years at the same price point. Its now priced at 980.00, so you can be sure that the E5 for the next 12-24months will not be coming down in price in the UK even if sales worldwide bomb.

Ted, regards the pricing of the SHG lenes, some of them are actually cheaper now or the same as the Canon or Nikon equivalents 2.8's. The Canon 70-200F2.8 IS USM L is priced at 2,200 but the 35-100 F2 and Nikons 70-200 2.8 VRII can be picked up for 1800.00 in the UK.

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I don't know. One of the rumors Ive seen around the net is that the e-5 production output will be about 1/5 of the e-3 (3000 units per month vs 15000). And even if they cut it, will it matter? You can preorder the nikon right now for $100 bucks less than its list price.
The money someone like me would save buying the Nikon over an E5 would be more than eaten up in time and money lost liquidating equipment from one system and re-purchasing even a lesser setup in the other, especially when you start adding the "other stuff", like flash units, extension tubes, etc. I will most likely soldier on with my really, really nice E30 and, very possibly, just drop whatever I'm thinking about buying to use with my E-PL1 and pick up an E5. You never know....I may not last as long as an E5 will, and I really, REALLY like those two SWD zooms.

Hockey season is almost here, and I'm headed to at least one more Rangers' game.... and I won't be taking the E-PL1 to that....

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The money someone like me would save buying the Nikon over an E5 would be more than eaten up in time and money lost liquidating equipment from one system and re-purchasing even a lesser setup in the other, especially when you start adding the "other stuff", like flash units, extension tubes, etc. I will most likely soldier on with my really, really nice E30 and, very possibly, just drop whatever I'm thinking about buying to use with my E-PL1 and pick up an E5. You never know....I may not last as long as an E5 will, and I really, REALLY like those two SWD zooms.

Hockey season is almost here, and I'm headed to at least one more Rangers' game.... and I won't be taking the E-PL1 to that....
Sure, but isn't that even further evidence that they won't be dropping the prices any time soon?

Because if their target audience is the people who have already bought into the system (which seems to be the case, given the rumors of the limited production run and the fact that, unlike the e-30 and e-3, this camera is only being released as a stand alone, and not as a kit), then they know they can get away with it.
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Possibly....
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I posted the following price comparison a year and a half ago. I don't think the conclusion is different today.

Oly: 300mm f/2.8 ED [600mm equiv.] - $5,900
Canon: EF 600mm f/4.0L IS Image Stabilizer - $7,000 (and f/4)
Nikon: AF-S Nikkor 600mm f/4D ED-IF II Autofocus Lens - $8,500 (and f/4)

Oly: 90-250mm f/2.8 ED [180 - 500mm equiv.] - $5,400
Canon: nada
Nikon: Zoom Nikkor 200-400mm f/4 G-AFS ED-IF VR (Vibration Reduction) - $5,000 (f/4 plus a smaller zoom range)

Oly: 150mm f/2.0 EP [300mm equiv.] - $2,200
Canon: EF 300mm f/2.8L IS Image Stabilizer - $3,900 (and f/2.8)
Nikon: AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/2.8G AF-S ED-IF VR (Vibration Reduction) - $4,300 (and f/2.8)


Oly: 35-100mm f/2.0 ED [70 - 200mm equiv.] - $2,200
Canon: EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS - $1,700 (and f/2.8)
Nikon: AF VR Zoom Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8D G-AFS ED-IF Autofocus Lens (Vibration Reduction) - $1,600 (but f/2.8)

Oly: 7-14mm f/4.0 ED [14 - 28mm equiv.] - $1,600
Canon: NO ZOOM, Super Wide Angle EF 14mm f/2.8L - $2,000
Nikon: AF-S Zoom Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8G ED AF - $1,600 (faster, but a smaller zoom range for the same price)
I honestly think that this comparison is unfair. There is a problem in saying that in using a 300 mm lens you can get full possibilities of a 600 mm class lens. It is true only and solely when it comes to the angles of view, nothing more. If you deal with the quality of the image you should have had one and the same 300 mm class lens (able to work on different SLRs) and then putting it on a Nikon D300, a Canon 450D or an Olympus E-3 would have given us the same results because those SLRs feature very similar resolution in the frame center. You can basically can cut out the 4/3 picture format from images taken using Nikon and Canon sensors and present the same result. So in truth you should be comparing lenses like so:

Oly: 300mm f/2.8 ED [600mm equiv.] - $5,900
Canon: EF 300mm f/2.8L IS Image Stabilizer - $3,900
Nikon: AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/2.8G AF-S ED-IF VR - $4,300

and so forth for the other lenses. So what do you say now? Which system looks cheaper? I personally shoot Olympus and I honestly believe that their lenses are some of the best around, but it just is not fair to call a lens like the 300mm f/2.8 a 600mm lens, because it just isn't. With the other systems you can simply crop to achieve the same field of view as on 4/3 cameras.
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I honestly think that this comparison is unfair. There is a problem in saying that in using a 300 mm lens you can get full possibilities of a 600 mm class lens. It is true only and solely when it comes to the angles of view, nothing more.
What??? That's the whole point. To switch an existing 4/3 lens kit to a FF kit, you have to account for the crop factor. For practical use, 100mm in 4/3 really is 200mm in FF.
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