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Old Mar 17, 2006, 10:35 PM   #1
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I have some thoughts on the innovative (and costy) design of
the Oly E-330 LiveView function and its two modes, LV A and B, also on
the somehow innovative but without cost implication "Digital Preview"
mode of the Pentax *ist DL2 (Pentax's engineers are clever to make
stuff out of nothing (no cost implication) and I bet their financial
controllers don't let them to spend more money..)

1. LiveView Mode A

(i) Working Principle:
Oly installed a 1/2.5" CCD in the viewfinder. LV Mode A use this CCD to
capture the realtime image for framing. As the finder of the E-330's
finder is only of 95% in frame coverage, the LV mode cannot exceed this
coverage. In practice, it is smaller owing to it is impossible to align
exactly for the component, thus the coverage is only 92%.

(ii) Pros and Cons
The pro is the image is the DSLR now can be operated as a prosumer DC
but he cons as said including the smaller coverage plus the difficulty
to capture liveview image in low light, owing to that much of the
incoming light have gone to the AF mirror sub-path and then to the
optical finder, especially consider that the Oly 4-3 system is of a 2X
factor which have already gathered less light physically.

(iii) My suggestion for possible engineering improvement in the design
- The Oly engineer should use a 1/1.8" CCD to capture the LV image if
possible
- The viewfinder optics should be made to have larger coverage, say,
100%, thus the LV mode A image can be of 95%, for example.
- Prisms should be used instead of mirrors as far as possible to
minimize the loss of light for the complicated light pathS in the
design of the E-330, i.e. to minimize/decrease the number of mirrors as
far as possible.

2. Live View Mode B:

(i) WOrking Principle
To use the Live MOS 7.5M Panasonic imager to capture the image. The
main mirror is locked up and the shutter is opened before LV mode B is
entered.

(ii) Pros and Cons
Full frame coverage but AF is not working anymore. On the other hand,
it is now without low light viewing difficulty because of the CMOS
sensor receive ALL the light. However, ar killing disadvantage is that
there is a shooting delay as the camera need to restore the standby
status by lower the mirror, close the shutter, reset the CCD before the
actual shot can be taken.

(iii) My suggestion on the possibl engineering design improvement:
The delay is owing to hardware limitation, main for the re-initialise
lead/lag time for the Panasonic Live MOS imager, from the LV mode back
to the Capture mode. Thus there is not much to do for the delay except
Panasonic can improve the re-initialisation time.

But for the AF problem. I have a simple thought: Why not incorporated
the Contrast Detection AF of P&S DC into the camera after entering
LiveView Mode B? I think it is very simple to do so..

3. Digital Preview of the Pentax *ist DL2

(i) WOrking Principle:
The camera just take the shoot, store the picture in the memory and let
the user to "preview" the final shot (on pic composition, WB, focus,
exposure etc.)

(ii) Pros and Cons
Pros is this feature is handy and useful and do not need to waste card
space plus no need to delete images which are not needed. Also, it is
somehow can be used as an aid for shooting when the user cannot view
thro the optical finder -> He just need to pull the preview finder to
"take" the picture. But this is not LiveView afterall.

(iii) Any possible improvement, then?
Pentax should incorporate the LiveView mode B function as Oly does. But
AFAIK, the Sony/Sanyo CCD it uses does not have this feature. Well,
it's time for Pentax to find Panasonic then.. OR, Pentax should ask
Samsung to clone the Pana design! LOL..

Also, PEntax only let the user to choose between optical DoF preview OR
just Digital Preview in a custome function. Again, why not have the
*choice* on BOTH? What is the conflict between the Optical DoF Preview
against the Digital Preview? None, indeed.

---> Well, I think I might have made a somehow lengthy technical talk
here. But I think it would be interesting to see that some days later
we can have better DSLRs with better LiveView and Digital Preview
functions!

My two cents, anyway..

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The DPR preview states that there is a FULL 1 SECOND shutter release delay when using B Live MODE for the Oly.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/


Does that mean a tripod is a necessity to use the B Mode??
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The DPR preview states that there is a FULL 1 SECOND shutter release delay when using B Live MODE for the Oly.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/


Does that mean a tripod is a necessity to use the B Mode??
Not absolutely necessary, depending on shutter speed and subject, but highly recommended, if you're going to get the advantage of the full 100% LCD coverage. They call it a "macro mode" and say specifically that it's intended for tripod use.
The A mode also has boost for low-light shooting that seems to work fairly well. (I don't have one, just tried it at the rollout seminar at Oly headquarters here in Tokyo)

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Can you enlighten us more on that B mode?

How did it feel to you?
Was the 1 second delay a deal breaker?

I mean a fully 1 second delay! Now that's pretty bad.
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The DPR preview states that there is a FULL 1 SECOND shutter release delay when using B Live MODE for the Oly.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/


Does that mean a tripod is a necessity to use the B Mode??
I think this mode is fine for *static* objects and scenes. Tripod is not needed for a steady hand, IMO.

BTW, I must appreciate much the innovativeness and the hard effort spent by Olympus in creating new products with new and useful features.

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The DPR preview states that there is a FULL 1 SECOND shutter release delay when using B Live MODE for the Oly.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/


Does that mean a tripod is a necessity to use the B Mode??
Not absolutely necessary, depending on shutter speed and subject, but highly recommended, if you're going to get the advantage of the full 100% LCD coverage. They call it a "macro mode" and say specifically that it's intended for tripod use.
The A mode also has boost for low-light shooting that seems to work fairly well. (I don't have one, just tried it at the rollout seminar at Oly headquarters here in Tokyo)
There is a custom function to enable boosted A mode at low light. It's indeed very grainy and it just looks like some sorts of IR binoculars. IMO, it is worse than any consumer P&S DC, even if the same 1/2.5" CCD/CMOS is used. The culprit is that there is simply no enough light falling onto the liveview sensor A.

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You're right. I'm thinking of buying the e330 because it's so innovative. Not to mention
that the 4/3 system is a wonder.

However, there are some glaring flaws in the e330's live mode feature that makes me want to wait a couple more years from now to see if these imperfections are resolved.

And image quality is another thing that I'm concerened about...

http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/p...ple/index.html

I've downloaded the full res photos. I know that too sharp means a more processed look.
However, those photos are just way too soft, IMO.




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And image quality is another thing that I'm concerened about...

http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/p...ple/index.html

I've downloaded the full res photos. I know that too sharp means a more processed look.
However, those photos are just way too soft, IMO.


Thanks for the link.

The sample pictures' sharpness looks okay to me. Of course, it's not kind of stuff from Canon DSLRs which looks very sharp for every details.

The picture quality is already very good, except the oversaturated colors and the lack of textures in the objects, IMHO.

Anyway, the E-330 is undoubtly an ideal choice over *any* prosumer DC or DZLR which I think will soon disappear from the market.

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