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Old Sep 5, 2010, 1:28 AM   #11
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The problem is all 1080P cameras including NEX-5 and GH1 cannot produce the Hollywood alike movie; EPL1 already does, just the clarity is DVD class, not Bluray class. As EPL1 has the same sensor as the one in GH1, it should be able to do Bluray grade, all needed is to drop m-jpeg. Olympus has a gold mine, but they don't dig it.

Camcorders are out of question for their small sensors that cannot produce shallow DOF, no need to mention their color.
Put into that context....I really don't have an issue with DVD class! I don't own a blue ray player and the movies are too damned expensive to buy that many of them in that format anyway...

I actually did something this evening I never thought I'd do. I took my E-PL1 to a college football game and shot a few video clips with the kit lens, and they look darn nice.

Being a night game, sitting up a ways and using the little kit lens I had to make a few adjustments so the later clips look better than the early clips. The kit lens doesn't seem to work too well using continuous AF and I was far enough away it didn't really matter, so I just went with single AF and the results were much better. If I were to use a longer lens where the depth of focus was much more critical I'd want to be using something like the 14-150 with the better "for video" autofocus quality. I also started locking the exposure to keep the video stream more evenly exposed.
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Old Sep 5, 2010, 5:06 AM   #12
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Greg, glad you did it and love to see your captures!

Try to compare yours to the following one - the very best clarity I've found from PEN, very satisfying, even more clear than the PEN commercial! It is also the only video I've found from an EP2; all others are from EP1 and EPL1 and they all look much worse. From that forum, http://www.mu-43.com/f84/, you'll see many EP1 and EPL1 owners are like me, they have not been able to get the same clarity we see on that PEN commercial.

http://www.mu-43.com/f84/short-trip-...p-2-movie-928/
(The first one, in color)

So, I watched the "How do you show how amazing the new olympus PEN is? Shoot an entire commercial with it." again, several times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6DijVApReI

Now I see, it was the EP2 that was used to shoot the commercial! And with some HUGE lenses! It was not shot by the EPL1 with kit lens which the girl was trying to mislead us to think so!

Now, I think Olympus might have crippled EP1 and EPL1 on the video side to make sure we get what we paid for. I could never have thought about this, if I never saw an EP2 video, because everybody says EPL1's stills are even better than those of EP2! Obviously this is not necessarily true for video!

All EP1/EPL1 video I've seen so far are similar to the one I posted in the first post of this thread. For example, this one looks exactly the same clarity as what I've got, much worse than the PEN commercial:

http://www.mu-43.com/f84/commercial-video-quality-3204/
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Old Sep 5, 2010, 10:04 AM   #13
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Nice videos! It's obviously very cold where you shot the one. How does the battery life hold up at those temps?

After watching that one on how they did the commercial and now having shot , or tried to shoot that is, sports with the E-PL1, it would be interesting knowing how many "takes" it actually took to get that guy diving for the volleyball shot right. My guess would be several, because in real life, shooting single-capture sports with these little cameras is almost impossible to time and get a very large percentage of good captures due to the finder delay between what's actually happening at the time of capture and what you are seeing in the finder. I'll be sticking to my DSLR outfit at sporting events where the main aim is single-image capture, and you know darn good and well due to the depth of field the still volleyball capture in the commercial that shows up in magazine ads for the Pen was NOT captured with that little kit lens! It's kind-of like those Canon Digital Rebel television ads where they show mom on the sidelines with her Rebel and 18-55 kit lens and next they show stuff "she" shot when you know darn good and well what they are showing had to of been shot with something like a 300mm f2.8 lens due to the lack of depth of field.

This college football game (as most I would suppose) was different. Virtually no DSLR-type equipment is allowed in, and certainly no large lenses much beyond the scope of the little kit lens of the Pen, so that's what I carried in last night with the VF-2 finder in my pocket to keep security as low-key about it as possible. Once inside and at my seat, the VF-2 came out and I used it to shoot every movie I shot.

With still shots from 43 rows up pretty much impossible, I turned to playing with the video to try and capture some of the action and atmosphere of being a one of these events. These are pretty close to first time-ever video captures for me like this so I'm sure it would only get better, especially once I have better for video lenses to use with the E-PL1.

http://gmchappell.smugmug.com/Sports...94979693_s49iP

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Old Sep 5, 2010, 5:25 PM   #14
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Thanks for the video! I've watched the first two, but they look exactly as crappy as mine. There is also heavy re-compression to the video. I usually upload the raw AVI files (without any editing) to youtube and yuetube does a fantastic job to transcode them into flash files without big degrading on IQ. This way I can get excellent small files without spending hours and hours to do it on my own computer.

No, I did not do the EP2 video, I wish I han an EP2. If my EPL1 could ever produce that kind of sharp video, I would be all happy and stop my rant right now. The guy posted only one post to the forum and never posted again, otherwise I might ask him for some more info on how he took the video such as what lens was used and was IS on or off. Without such details, it is difficult to conclude whether his EP2 or lens did a far better video than our EPL1.

Hope I can find more EP2 video samples.

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Old Sep 5, 2010, 10:43 PM   #15
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When files are uploaded to Smugmug they do some sort of reconfiguring/converting. I read about it but don't know squat about what it is they do...

http://www.smugmug.com/help/video-sharing

The files straight out of the camera were/are huge and were going to take forever do upload, so I started the process last night and went to bed so I woulodn't have to watch it!

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I've found more EP2 video clips and they all look superior to EPL1's video (except one). Among all of them, there is only one single video look like EPL1's quality and it was taken with a kit 14-42 lens! All others were taken with a non-kit lens.

http://vimeo.com/groups/24751/videos/11976845
(this one is SD, but it still looks far better than EPL1's HD, even at full screen!)

http://vimeo.com/groups/24751/videos/11333985
(PEN 17mm 2.8 and Nikon 85mm 1.4)

http://vimeo.com/groups/24751/videos/9733112
(gotta to watch this one even if you are not interested in video on PEN)

http://vimeo.com/groups/24751/videos/9334325
(low light Leica 45mm f2.8 ISO 640-1250 1/30-1/50)

http://vimeo.com/groups/24751/videos/9240861
(I don't like this one, don't know what lens was used)

http://vimeo.com/groups/24751/videos/9049456
(Oly kit 14-42mm, looks no any better than my EPL1)
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I played around with the 45-200 and the 14-42. The panny lenses seems to have a higher quality video. Not really sure as I am not big on video. But on my 52inch lcd. It looks better then the 14-42.

Also the flickering lines while zoom with the 14-42 is not there with the 45-200m. But as you zoom, you hear the aperture step down, if you are not stop down already.
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OK, while it is very easy to find excellent video that are taken with an EP2, there are very few excellent ones from E-PL1. Too few to prove that EPL1 can really do acceptable video. At least one thing is clear though: the Oly kit lenses cannot, because those video are all over the net and none of them look good.

http://vimeo.com/12295308
(some parts are excellent while others are just acceptable)

http://vimeo.com/13870540
(another mixed bag)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWn0w1tneOM
(Panny 14-140 HD, macro though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVGLCktCUZI
(Another macro, Nikon 85mm 1.8)

http://vimeo.com/12130073
http://vimeo.com/12232113
(quite acceptable, very smooth motion!)

http://vimeo.com/14132464
(truly professional, Oly 14-42 kit, manual everything, IS off)

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Makes sense. That's why Olympus has released lenses like the 14-150 and 9-18 with fast internal focussing and an aperture system for better quality movie shooting... You just have to buy them!

I would not be surprised with the next set of higher-tiered bodies if there is an option that includes the 14-150, but not at the lower E-PL level.
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OK, this is the latest development about this matter.

As I could not get the kind of video like the PEN commercial, I doubted about the kit lens but what puzzled me is the fact that this lens does take great stills. So I fear that I might still cannot get satisfactory video quality even if I buy a $$$ lens.

In order to settled down this puzzle, I bought a $10 old MF lens, a Vivitar 70-210mm. A new problem was: EPL1's low-res LCD screen can hardly do MF. Fortunately I found a 2.5x magnifier and made it an "EVF" that worked extremely well (see my other thread)! Now, it is time to do some video test with this Vivitar that already did fantastic stills (see my other threads).

Wow, with this very old lens, my EPL1 does great video! I have absolutely no complain about the IQ, very sharp and detailed, plus the Hollywood color. At 210mm, the IBIS no longer do its magic and recorded video is shaky enough to cause sick. At 70mm, perfect.

It is still weird why the kit lens does great stills but simply won't do video. I guess either EPL1 firmware does a great correction job for this lens for stills, or it does on purpose downgrading on video so we have to spend $$$ on a video lens. To be honest, I have not done any test yet with the kit lens in MF mode with my "EVF", so I'm not so sure at this time whether the great video quality is from the Vivitar lens or accurate manual focusing (impossible without my "EVF"). From all the EPL1 video samples I've found on web, the good ones are all obtained from MF. Maybe the firmware does video downgrading only with the kit lens and only in AF mode?

As the IBIS only works effectively at 150mm or shorter for video, now I, owning a great "EVF" for extremely accurate MF, am looking for a cheap old 14-150mm or so lens. I hope such a lens will do both stills and video for me till such M4/3 lense become cheap enough. The kit lens does not offer enough zoom for me and I don't like the idea of frequent lens swap. I refuse to buy a $$$ video lens as now I suspect that Olympus did some dirty tricks to force us to do so.




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