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Old Jan 28, 2012, 11:05 AM   #1
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Aren't plain old point and shoot cameras considered mirrorless. I'm thinking the shutter must be open on those as well in order to view the screen. Just curious.
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I think that "mirrorless" is a -yet another- term invented by the marketing people
It seems to me to only apply to SLR camera bodies where the traditional mirror ain't-there-anymore-mate

We know about the term EVIL for Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens, and

Yesterday I did read yet another term .... ACIL > Advanced Camera Interchangeable Lens ....

I wonder when the terminology will settle down
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Thanks for your input Phil. I guess I have to agree with you on marketing. The M43 cameras are an SLR type, that is you are looking through the lens, but other than the larger sensor and interchangeable lenses, I'm thinking it's much like a point and shoot with a new name. I'm certainly not condemning my E-PL2, I love it. Was just curious about this label. BTW, are you near the GBR?

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Thanks for your input Phil. I guess I have to agree with you on marketing. The M43 cameras are an SLR type, that is you are looking through the lens, but other than the larger sensor and interchangeable lenses, I'm thinking it's much like a point and shoot with a new name. I'm certainly not condemning my E-PL2, I love it. Was just curious about this label. BTW, are you near the GBR?

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Lot's of different marketing hype, but the mirrorless market actually refers to the market first created by Oly and Panasonic. Advanced interchangeable lens compact cameras. Much more advanced with larger sensors and the ability to use a variety of lens. The cameras have a lot is names, first starting with EVIL (electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens). Currently, it seems like the term ILC (Interchangeable Lens Compact) seems to becoming the preferred term. While mirrorless, it was always the interchangeable lens, advanced features, larger sensor, and advanced controls that marked the "mirrorless" cameras from the simple P&S cameras.
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Although I do think that in many cases words are created purely for marketing purposes, I don't believe that's the case with the word "mirrorless". This word actually differentiates two technologies involving interchangeable lens cameras.
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And I do think there are many other amateurs like myself who just get tired of lugging all the heavy gear around with DSLR systems. Our needs do not require full blown DSLRs and from what I can see, there is little to no difference in IQ between my old Canon 40D and the E-PL2...at least that I can see with my old eyes. I take my Oly with me much more often than I did my old DSLR system.
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Although I do think that in many cases words are created purely for marketing purposes, I don't believe that's the case with the word "mirrorless". This word actually differentiates two technologies involving interchangeable lens cameras.
I agree with this 100%. What's more, the term "mirrorless" was actually being used by enthusiasts long before marketing got involved. No one knew exactly what to call the new cameras and there were arguments over terms like EVIL (electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens) and MILC (mirrorless interchangeable lens camera), so "mirrorless" just seemed to cover it.

It's all semantics... and some people like to argue about anything. Like the term "rangefinder." Some insist a camera can't be called a rangefinder unless it actually has a rangefinder focusing mechanism inside. But, generally, most photographers understand the term applies to cameras styled like a rangefinder, with no viewfinder/pentaprism hump on the top.

Either way, it's all good.
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I agree with this 100%. What's more, the term "mirrorless" was actually being used by enthusiasts long before marketing got involved. No one knew exactly what to call the new cameras and there were arguments over terms like EVIL (electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens) and MILC (mirrorless interchangeable lens camera), so "mirrorless" just seemed to cover it.

It's all semantics... and some people like to argue about anything. Like the term "rangefinder." Some insist a camera can't be called a rangefinder unless it actually has a rangefinder focusing mechanism inside. But, generally, most photographers understand the term applies to cameras styled like a rangefinder, with no viewfinder/pentaprism hump on the top.

Either way, it's all good.
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G'day James et al

@James - you comment to @Biro "holy cow..." and -yes- I plead guilty also that back in film-camera days, I was the same as @Biro > loved my equipment

Back in the 80s I climbed Ayer's Rock in central Australia with my camera bag on my back ... bag had 2 K-mount bodies [colour & mono] plus the 24mm, the 28-105mm and the bigma 80-250 f3,8 Tamron [which in itself weighed in at 3kg]

These days I'll do that sort of stuff with the FZ around my neck - 1-camera with a lens covering the 24mm > 400mm range weighing in at about 1/2-kilo

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G'day James et al

@James - you comment to @Biro "holy cow..." and -yes- I plead guilty also that back in film-camera days, I was the same as @Biro > loved my equipment

Back in the 80s I climbed Ayer's Rock in central Australia with my camera bag on my back ... bag had 2 K-mount bodies [colour & mono] plus the 24mm, the 28-105mm and the bigma 80-250 f3,8 Tamron [which in itself weighed in at 3kg]

These days I'll do that sort of stuff with the FZ around my neck - 1-camera with a lens covering the 24mm > 400mm range weighing in at about 1/2-kilo

Regards, Phil
That's what I like about the M43 systems, lightweight and still produce quality images. Isn't Ayers Rock that huge red rock that sits in the middle of nowhere?
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