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Old Nov 30, 2012, 9:58 AM   #11
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My personal thoughts on your photos are that they are good examples of the shortcomings of the m43 Pen cameras prior to the release of the EM-5.
The sensor just can't deal with low light/high ISO situations. Despite the use of high quality fast lenses, the detail in the shadows is murky at best. AND, that's not a criticism of your photographic capabilities. It's just reality.

I have the E-P2 which employs the same sensor as the Pen camera you use and
the IQ is the same. Great in good light, lousy in low light.

The Sony sensor employed in the EM-5, and now the EPL-5 finally is a major step in the right direction to offering 'dslr' quality output in all but a few special situations.

The Oly system always had good lenses, it was the AF system and sensor that
limited the system.

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Thanks everyone. Yeah, like you and Racewan were saying, ISO 1600 or so isn't that great on here, and in most situations doesn't look very acceptable to me (I normally set the limit to ~800-1000 or so, and only use that sparingly). I'm a little more accepting of the noise in these shots, though, though I guess I have no choice but to accept it.

Seriously though, I think these shots were pretty extreme lighting compared to what I would normally. Everything was either really bright (christmas lights) or pretty dark (everything else), and moving. Oh well. No shooting indoor soccer games for me any time soon, I guess. I'll just deal until sometime down the road when I can upgrade to an e-pl5 or something similar. For now at the very least, it's still WAY better than anything I was able to get before even if I'm not going to print any of these shots into posters any time soon. It'll be interesting to try to squeeze a little more out of what I have, anyhow.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 10:01 AM   #12
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Sammy - I note that these are in the 4/3rd thread rather than the p&s thread - so I would go from there to suggest that iso 1600 'should' have been a very-possible choice too

Overall I like the images - yes there are a few issues but so what the heck - you were doing what comes naturally to us photographers :-)

At to "being illuminated" ...
the blooming that you see in images #1 & #2 is very similar to that commented about from some of the Fuji "X" series sensors - where the light overload upon a small area of the sensor causes it to become a 100% washed-out blob

I have had similar but not so obvious things with the Pentac kx on some occasions too
I have no answers for how to avoid it
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In this specific shot, I actually think it looks kind of neat (though obviously it would be nice to turn it "off"). I'm wondering if part of the issue in this case is the big aperture setting. I've been shooting everything at f 1.7 lately as that's my new toy.
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Thanks everyone. Yeah, like you and Racewan were saying, ISO 1600 or so isn't that great on here, and in most situations doesn't look very acceptable to me (I normally set the limit to ~800-1000 or so, and only use that sparingly). I'm a little more accepting of the noise in these shots, though, though I guess I have no choice but to accept it.

Seriously though, I think these shots were pretty extreme lighting compared to what I would normally. Everything was either really bright (christmas lights) or pretty dark (everything else), and moving. Oh well. No shooting indoor soccer games for me any time soon, I guess. I'll just deal until sometime down the road when I can upgrade to an e-pl5 or something similar. For now at the very least, it's still WAY better than anything I was able to get before even if I'm not going to print any of these shots into posters any time soon. It'll be interesting to try to squeeze a little more out of what I have, anyhow.
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Yes, I agree, the conditions under which the photos were taken were tough for many cameras, let alone the older Pen sensor. They are all good candid shots.

And, even though these are what they are, there are plenty of photographic situations where the older Pen bodies works quite nicely.

It just reinforces my belief that you use the right tool for the job.
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