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Old Jan 30, 2013, 6:26 PM   #11
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Yeah, Sigma danced the inexpensive/cheap borderline on speed and focal length. 35mm f2.8 primes (except for perspective control lenses) for Japanese film SLR's like Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Minolta, etc. have always been very inexpensive.

One sweet spot for an f2.8 prime COULD have been 12mm. An affordable equivalent 24mm f2.8 wide angle could possibly be so popular the maker would have a hard time keeping up with demand.

19mm and 30mm just falls into that "why-didn't-you-just-do-an-f2 lens category. So really does 60mm in this format unless it's got another special use, like the 60mm f2.8 Macro Zuiko. Otherwise, the f2.8 speed really does nothing for me unless you are as wide as 12mm or as long as 100mm. Anything in-between, they can just keep it.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 8:34 PM   #12
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I hear you, Greg. The 30mm was the biggest waste of money. The lens is sharp and somewhat small but f2.8 just doesn't cut it. I'm sure mine will end up on eBay one day or I may just trade it in for some Starbucks because it won't be worth much!
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19mm and 30mm just falls into that "why-didn't-you-just-do-an-f2 lens category"
but at a $100 it also falls into the why not category if you don't already have 20mm f1.7. I've often times bought a manual focus lens to try a focal length, being able to buy an auto focus lens for $100 to try the focal length doesn't seem like a waste of money.

Honestly I am just waiting for the Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 or another comparable zoom to hit the $500-600 price mark and I'll probably ditch all my primes below the 45mm. I've even considered the four thirds Zuiko 14-54 f2.8-3.5 II which is CDAF compatible. I keep wrestling with the idea every time I price the 25mm f1.4. Right now I have the Lumix 14, Four Thirds Zuiko 25mm f2.8 and then the 45mm. Going to a fast zoom for the 12-35mm range wouldn't mean really any loss in speed for me and a great deal of gain in flexibility. If it wasn't for the focus noise ruining video I'd probably already have pulled the trigger on the 14-54.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 10:56 AM   #14
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... I've often times bought a manual focus lens to try a focal length, being able to buy an auto focus lens for $100 to try the focal length doesn't seem like a waste of money.
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To test 19 or 30mm FL you can use the kit lens as it goes from 14-42mm. No need to buy a MF lens for that.
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To test 19 or 30mm FL you can use the kit lens as it goes from 14-42mm. No need to buy a MF lens for that.
lol that is if I hadn't hated the kit lens so much that I sold it.... I know we've had this discussion before but I honestly did not find anything to like about the zuiko 14-42mm II kit lens, maybe sample variation but mine was soft. If I remember last time we had this chat you use a Lumix kit lens which probably explains why you still use it. I point out possible sample variation as I know some people here like their 14-42mm but not me.
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I have three kit lenses. The Lumix 14-45mm that came with the G1 (probably the best of all kit lenses ever), the Zuiko 14-42mm that came with the EPL1 and the Lumix 14-42mm that came with the G3. Between the two 14-42, I think the Zuiko (this is not version II) is a better performer than the Lumix. It's sharp, exposes well and produce nice colors. The negative is that the EPL1 AF is very sluggish with this lens. It's very noticeable how much faster the EPL1 AF is with the Lumix lenses. Many people here like the kit lens you had (14-42 II) and it makes me wonder if you had a bad copy of it. In any case, maybe instead of spending money on those MF lenses, which most (if not all) under-perform the m4/3 lenses, simply to test FL, you should invest in a Lumix 14-45mm. You'll be very happy with it.
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I have three kit lenses. The Lumix 14-45mm that came with the G1 (probably the best of all kit lenses ever), the Zuiko 14-42mm that came with the EPL1 and the Lumix 14-42mm that came with the G3. Between the two 14-42, I think the Zuiko (this is not version II) is a better performer than the Lumix. It's sharp, exposes well and produce nice colors. The negative is that the EPL1 AF is very sluggish with this lens. It's very noticeable how much faster the EPL1 AF is with the Lumix lenses. Many people here like the kit lens you had (14-42 II) and it makes me wonder if you had a bad copy of it. In any case, maybe instead of spending money on those MF lenses, which most (if not all) under-perform the m4/3 lenses, simply to test FL, you should invest in a Lumix 14-45mm. You'll be very happy with it.
I have considered the Lumix 14-45mm but to be honest I think I'd rather save and hope for a price break on the Lumix 12-35 f2.8
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Personally I'd buy the 14-45. The 12-35 may be a good lens but it is way overpriced IMO. For that kind of money you can also buy the Lumix 20mm and the Zuiko 45mm, both very fast lenses.
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Personally I'd buy the 14-45. The 12-35 may be a good lens but it is way overpriced IMO. For that kind of money you can also buy the Lumix 20mm and the Zuiko 45mm, both very fast lenses.
Agreed it is too expensive, but if it came down to $600ish it would be right, I am hoping it will get there, or maybe Olympus will release a mft version of the 14-54 2.8-3.5 II at the same price as the ft one ($600).
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Personally I'd buy the 14-45. The 12-35 may be a good lens but it is way overpriced IMO. For that kind of money you can also buy the Lumix 20mm and the Zuiko 45mm, both very fast lenses.
P.s. the 12-35 would not replace the 45. That said I have read good things from a number of event type photographers going to om-d and the 12-35 and 35-100 as sole kit. The fact is 2.8 is fast enough that you can still use it indoors very easily with high iso on the om-d. Changing lenses all the time is a pita. As a hobbyist it is fun to go out and shoot with different primes but if one lens can do it why not? As a parent one lens sounds appealing. I tried the kit and it plain wasn't fast enough. On the other hand the ft 25 f2.8 is pretty good all around and fast enough to be used indoors without flash.

Anyways I like the long end more and my 70-300mm is doing that well.
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