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Old Dec 27, 2003, 3:31 PM   #1
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Hello,

this question might be useful for olympus shoppers...

I noticed that the c-4000 is a bit more expensive than the c-5000...
something like 25-50 bucks, depending where you shop...

does anyone knows why ?

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Old Dec 27, 2003, 6:03 PM   #2
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Pricing does not make any sense to me either. Generally I think it is that the companies are receiving better incentives for selling the 5000 model. MFRs do this to push the inventory of their current camera stock.
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Old Dec 27, 2003, 7:11 PM   #3
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Not sure whats up with that pricing either. I can find the C4000 a little cheaper than the C5000 by ~ $30 - $40 US

I'm looking at the Olympus cameras trying to make a final choice. The C5000 has a few nice changes from the C4000, but some things I dont like as well. The retractable lens is a welcome addition, as is the smaller size. The hot shoe is a big plus. I'm not a fan of SM or xD (why not CF??). They went to a proprietary battery which is good for weight and size I guess, but I'd rather have the 4 x AA of the C4000.

The review of it here was less than glowing. The C4000 seems to be better in the performance and image quality areas.

Another concern I have is red eye performance. The C4000 is very good in this area because of (I think) the larger than average distance between the lens and the flash. The C5000 has moved them closer, and it may suffer from the typical red eye syndrome small cameras have. The 5000 does have the hot shoe though so an ext flash would fix that (at an additional cost).
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Old Dec 27, 2003, 7:43 PM   #4
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what ? does that mean that we can't insert 4 AA rechargeable nimh batteries in the c-5000 ? I can't see how this is a problem because after all, the c-5000 comes with this:

"Li-10B Li-Ion rechargeable battery and charger included"


The reviews I read about the c-5000 was really good. All in all, they all say that the c-5000 does what it's supposed to do : take quality pictures.

Concerning the red-eye problem, I've read that c-5000 got a red-eye reduction option. So.. I don't know. It can't be that bad. Plus, I believe that some computer applications can get rid of them easily.

I can't figure how an older model (the c-4000) can be better than the c-5000 concerning the quality of the pictures. Their specifications are approx the same and the c-5000 got 5 mp instead of 4. Besides, one thing that bugged me with the c-4000 is that it can't take xd cards... so you're stuck at 128 megs (which is still big when you take SQ2 1024 X 740 pics but still...)


check this out (from olympus website) :
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for the c-5000 :

CCD Imager: 5.0 megapixel effective
5.4 megapixel gross
Size 1/1.8 (.55 type) CCD

Lens: Olympus aspherical glass 3x zoom lens 7.8 23.4mm (38 114mm equivalent in 35mm photography)
Seamless Digital Zoom: 12X (3x optical and 4x digital combined)

Aperture Range: f2.8/f4.8 - f8.0

Shutter Speeds: 1/1000 sec. 16 sec.
ISO Auto, 50/80/160/320 (equivalent)


for the c-4000 :

CCD Imager : 4.0 Megapixel Effective
4.1 Megapixel
Size (in inch) 1/1.8 (.55) CCD

Lens : Olympus aspherical glass 3x zoom lens 6.5 - 19.5mm (32-96mm equivalent in 35mm photography)

Seamless Digital Zoom : 10X (3x optical and 3.3x digital combined)

Aperture Range: F2.8 F11

Shutter Speeds: 1/1000 sec. 16 sec.

ISO: Auto: 100/200/400
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How exactly the c-4000 can take better pictures than the c-5000 ?

I don't get it, sorry I'm no professional...


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Old Dec 27, 2003, 7:57 PM   #5
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Steve's review showed banding problems in the shot with blue sky. This was also in the C50 5 MP camera. The C4000 doesn't have this issue.

The battery thing is personal pref. I like the AA because you can always use a set of AA alkalines in a pinch. With the proprietary, that is all you can use.

As far as the red eye goes, the reduction flashes dont do all that much. The farther the flash is from the lens, the better.

I think I'd rather have the 4000 over the 5000. Newer is not always better.

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We were generally pleased with our outdoor test shots. While the images were sharp and well-exposed, we found an unusual and consistent defect in our beach/kayak shot; the bright blue sky at the top of the image had some apparent "banding" that stretched horizontally across the top of the image. The defect was present to varying degrees depending on the magnification with which you view the image, and the brightness of the sky. We experienced this on two different C-5000 cameras, and a similar issue was reported by a user of the Olympus C-50 -- it appears to be a design flaw in the 5-megapixel imager or image processing firmware.
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Yeah but in all respect to steve's review, I would not make a decision on only one review...

I did not see a reviewer stating that the c-4000 was better than the c-5000. Looking at the specifications of both cameras, It seems weird to say that c-4000 is better. Take a look at the sample pictures taken by both of em... Do u see a difference in the quality ?

Is it me or the med-priced olympus cameras are lacking behind competition these days ?
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Old Dec 27, 2003, 8:20 PM   #7
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Dcresource.com review specifically complained about red eye on the 5000. This is a shame since the C4000 was so good in this regard.

None of the reviews directly compare the 4000 to the 5000. They both have their ups and downs as do all other cameras. It depends on what is important to you.

The banding in the sky Steve mentioned in the review is plainly visible in the shot in the review.
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Old Dec 27, 2003, 8:24 PM   #8
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what does he mean by "banding" ? can u explain please ? (im french speaking that's why)

Yeah all cams got their highs and weaknesses...

I remember that some people on this forum were complaining about the c-4000 noise.

For me, the red-eye is no biggie... You can low the intensity of the flash in a well lighted room or you can easily edit a picture with a computer application in order to remove some red-eyes on some picture you want to print for example...
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Old Dec 27, 2003, 8:29 PM   #9
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look at the sky in this pic....
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_...s/PB160169.JPG

I had a bad exp with red eye on a camera I had recently, so I'm a bit hypersensitive to it... :shock:

My A80 was horrible with it. Red eye in every eye in every shot. A Church Christmas play with 3+ kids in each pic, over 60 pics taken. 3 kids x 2 eyes x 60 shots = 360 red eyes to fix in Photoshop. No thanks. I'd rather have a camera that doesn't require that much post processing time.
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Old Dec 27, 2003, 8:32 PM   #10
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Oh is it because the blue is darker in the upper part of the sky ??
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