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Old Oct 3, 2002, 5:17 AM   #1
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Default What went wrong. Extreme light problems?

I take pictures of football/soccer? matches and they turn out pretty much OK on day matches.

Night matches undr floodlight simply dont happen.

Can anyone explain.
http://www.pnefc.org/PA024730.JPG
http://www.pnefc.org/PA024719.JPG
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Oly c2100 uz
ISO 100
AF iESP
S-Prg SPORT

The rest is all auto.. I am a point and click guy.. still a newbie so dont understand too much

results get worse the more zoom used (never digital)

I am at a loss and at this moment its a case of daytime matches only

Ho yeagh no flash used.. pictures are very dark with flash.. but better quality.. if you see what I mean.. heres a flash one.

http://www.pnefc.org/123456_b.jpg




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Old Oct 3, 2002, 6:55 AM   #2
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Default Slow Shutter Speed

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At night your camera has to collect more light to take the picture. It can do this by leaving the shutter open longer (causing your blurry pictures), using a larger aperature (the 2100's maximum aperature gets smaller as you zoom), or by increasing ISO (which causes more noise)

Two options come imediatly to mind. One is to increase your ISO to 200 or 400 giving you a faster shutter speed and then clean up the resulting noise with a program like NeatImage in post processing. Or you can add a strong external flash with a Zoom head so you can light objects much farther away than the 10 to 13 feet you internal flash was meant for.
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Old Oct 3, 2002, 7:04 AM   #3
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Hi.. Thanks for the input and please do excuse my ignorance..


Just going to a normal day for a second..
For sparts shots I do need a faster shutter speed don't I.. to be able to grab movement.. is that right? I was on Auto but was advised to set to 100.


Adding a strong flash is probably a bit of a no no.. I am close to the game and dont really want to annoy the semi profesional players by having a flash in there eyes just at the wrong moment..

OK so if I follow... Higher ISO gives faster shutter and thus better to grab moving images.. But it adds noise to the picture...

i will go and experiment how much noise.. My picures arnt for printing out. they get resized to 640x480 or cropped and published on the web. they arn't really for anything else.. so noise and cleanup may be the answer


Thats of course if I am following correctly
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When shooting action photos, learn to track the object with your camera and click the shutter. Depressing the shutter button half way will help to maintain the focus on the moving object. I practiced taking pictures of cars to refine my technique.
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Old Oct 3, 2002, 9:36 AM   #5
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such is what you must give up for the action shot. under the lights you will have to pump up the iso. a strobe wont help due to distance your probably away from the players. plus as you said bad form to flash them in the middle of the shot on goal.
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Haaaaaaa!!!! I didnt realise that!

I am depressing half way for focus but if the action moves then I follow then press again..

So if I follow a moving target and keep it deressed it will keep focus.... thats damm good to know... fanx
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Thanks everyone.. Going to practice later this evening. Up the ISO. Track the object... see what quality the pics are and so on..

I like testing its fun.. But theres that many permutations I needed pointng in the right direction first..

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Since no one here mentioned the Exif info, I thought I would (taken from the first link) as it will give some more clues as to what went wrong:

ExposureTime : 1/8Sec
FNumber : F3.5
ExposureProgram : Program Normal
ISOSpeedRatings : 100
FocalLength : 70.00(mm)
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Default Noise Cleanup

Here is an example of an ISO 400 picture that has had NeatImage cleanup applied to part of it. Obviously it still needs further work for color and sharpening but it shows just how clean you can get an ISO 400 Image from a 2100UZ

http://jsample.wileypub.com/full/noisedemo.jpg

I hope this helps and I would love to see how your shots turn out.
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I went for it and set to ISO 400 and TBH the results where no better. Still got as much blur but now the noise as well..

Your pictue quality for my purposes would be good enough. But was he still?

My targets are usually moving and at distance and in poor light or very very strong floodlights all around.

Thus I am stuck.. Can I pass these by you and see if these are all standard for normal use please? and any i should change for the circumstanes have..

sorry i dont fully understand most of them..


digital zoom off
wb = auto
iso = auto (tried 100 / 400)
flash +/- = 0
flash slow = off
bkt = 1.0 x3
multi metering = off
af mode = iesp
full time af = off
sound = off
function = off
s prg = sport
image stabalizer = on

HQ 1600 X 1200
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